NSW to introduce tax on scuba diving!

Submitted: Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 16:34
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No kidding.

NSW DPI is looking at introducing a yearly fee for the privilege of being allowed to enter the water while wearing scuba gear. Ostensibly the fee is being used to fund Grey Nurse shark research, however there's only 3000-4000 divers in NSW, so a paltry $120,000 a year might be collected - hardly enough to cover the administration costs.

A number of people are comparing it to fishing licences, and think it's a good idea, however monies from fishing licences are used to manage fishery resources, whereas the diving tax is simply being applied to raise revenue - amongst other things, to fund raising grey nurse shark embryos in a test tube! It's unproven science, but NSW is willing to stick a yearly tax on a specific recreational activity in order to fund it. This is simply a TAX - it's got nothing to do with training or education, doesn't replace PADI diving certifications - purely a money grab. But you won't be able to dive in NSW without it.

Keep in mind around 55% of all divers also fish, and already get slugged with a fishing licence each year, and you can't spearfish or collect lobster etc in NSW while on SCUBA gear - it's purely a "look only" activity. What recreational activity are we going to have to be licenced to participate in next? Surfing? Skiiing? BUSHWALKING?!?

What's this got to do with 4WDing you ask? Well as someone pointed out the other day regarding the 4WD debate, there are too many fragmented groups in Australia to put up much of a voice or opposition to stupid ideas like this one - however the common theme is government intervention in our recreation. Together however we can put project a strong stance and help defeat these "government knows best" type of social impositions.

I urge all ExploreOz members who have any passing interest in helping defeat this measure to CLICK HERE and select DON'T SUPPORT for every option. Originally this tax started off as a $20 PER DAY levy to dive on sites where Grey Nurse sharks are found, and now it's being watered down to include options like "diver priority projects" in order to make it more palatable. Please don't let the NSW government impose a tax on diving - who knows what they will try and stick a tax on next!!!!
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Reply By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 16:58

Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 16:58
G'day Scubaroo,

Reckon there is a snow flake chance in hell of stopping these things. Reckon it is just one part of a 2 prong attack on 4wding activities. This involves removing any need to have one of these things because you simply won't be able to do anything in it - alarmist, maybe. Funny enough they all sound reasonable to the average joe.

The list of excuses to stop 4wd activity is growing all the time. The problem is as a middle aged male I would be expected to oppose any attempts to curtail my 4wd activity, fishing, diving and shooting (if I did any) because that is what we do. Its easy to pick on us because we are vulnerable and don't cost much (we are a dis organised lot).

Kind regards
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 22:17

Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 22:17
I smell effluent. Not that many places in NSW you need a 4wd to dive... None that we dived from crounlla down to Narooma and up to Palm Beach way.

It would have zero to do with 4wding. It would have to do with taking money from humans to fund pollys superannuation, lunches, trips overseas, and maybe 1 photo 6x4 of a shark for one of the pollys grandkids for a school project.

FA to do with sharks or 4wding. Like fishing licenses.. just money for the coffers.
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Reply By: Nudenut - Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 17:38

Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 17:38
why should divers be made to fund the rearch of the shark?...

Oh silly me...we persons with diving qualifications kill em ...
yeah right?

tell them to go get their money from those who kill em!

Bugger me what will they think of next!

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Follow Up By: Member - Kimberly Kruiser (WA) - Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 17:49

Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 17:49
Now Nudenut, you know that the morons who think of these wonderful idea's couldn't possibly think past finding an easy target to get some dosh off of.

All small recreation groups are easy targets and usually law abiding, so most of em will pay.

What's next, lets see. A tax on the air in 4wd tyres, cause they hold more volume than cars!
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Follow Up By: Lone Wolf - Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 18:10

Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 18:10
" Bugger me what will they think of next! "

PEDESTRIAN TAX!!!!!!

This is to pay for the research into whether or not 5 post bull bars maim any more than a 4 poster.

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Follow Up By: Diamond (Vic) - Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 18:54

Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 18:54
geez your lucky sa dosnt have an ugly tax nudey.
you would be broke.
lol
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Follow Up By: Nudenut - Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 20:14

Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 20:14
very funny!
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Follow Up By: gramps - Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 22:35

Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 22:35
"A tax on the air in 4wd tyres"

For crying out loud KK, we shafted residents of the Premier state don't need you giving the ****holes any new ideas for taxes! Ssshhhhh :)
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Follow Up By: Patrol22 (Queanbeyan - Tuesday, Nov 08, 2005 at 12:44

Tuesday, Nov 08, 2005 at 12:44
Pedistrian tax...Wolfie....what a Great idea..........but only if it applies 1000fold to the NSW Pedistrian Council and Mr Scruby and his 5 committee members.
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Follow Up By: Nudenut - Tuesday, Nov 08, 2005 at 12:57

Tuesday, Nov 08, 2005 at 12:57
wolfie...why are'nt you out with your canoe?
the top end (athelstone wier) of the torrens looks wild!!!
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Reply By: robak (QLD) - Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 18:19

Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 18:19
I think a tax on watching the paint dry is just around the corner.
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Reply By: Charlie - Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 19:51

Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 19:51
Divers where at the forefront of getting these areas declared sanctuaries what else were you expecting, you can't go into National Parks anywhere in NSW without paying.
Regards Charlie
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Follow Up By: Scubaroo - Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 20:48

Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 20:48
It's not just sanctuaries, it's for diving, period.
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Follow Up By: Charlie - Tuesday, Nov 08, 2005 at 18:41

Tuesday, Nov 08, 2005 at 18:41
Fair enough then we seem to have more on from the initial proposal to tax just diving in grey nurse shark areas,my mistake.
Regards Charlie
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Reply By: Steve - Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 20:14

Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 20:14
they can bring in a breathing tax if they like, but it won't be them that'll get the benefit of it after the next election
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Reply By: lindsay - Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 20:20

Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 20:20
You will vote socialists into goverment. How long before the next election?
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Follow Up By: Patrol22 (Queanbeyan - Tuesday, Nov 08, 2005 at 12:47

Tuesday, Nov 08, 2005 at 12:47
Must be a lot of them 'socialists' in Aus...don't all States and Territories have Labor Governments?......and from memory 4 of them are only newly elected in the past few months!
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Reply By: Thenewme - Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 20:48

Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 20:48
PADI is sending this email to registered divers in NSW, believe the fee is $75 for 3 years.

I dive and leave everything I see behind, a friend of mine free dives, these guys manage to dive great depths holding their breath, they take lobsters and whatever else they can carry, yet they do not need a license, go figure

PADI Asia Pacific
The Way the World Learns to DiveC/
Unit 3, 4 Skyline Place
Frenchs Forest NSW 2086
Australia
Tel: 61 2 9451 2300
Fax: 61 2 9451 9999
Web: http://www.padi.com
Email: padi@padi.com.au

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Dear

On 30th September 2005 the NSW State Government released a Discussion Paper regarding a Proposed NSW Recreational Scuba Diving Fee. The proposal would require all Divers in NSW to purchase a “Diving License” similar to the current NSW Fishing License. We are writing to you to make you aware of the proposal and to ensure you have the opportunity to respond to the Government with your perspective.

The release of the discussion paper provides the opportunity for all interested parties to determine exactly what the NSW Government is proposing and what impact it will have on recreational divers, diving professionals, dive centres and others involved in our wonderful sport. By opening up the consultation process, the diving community can respond appropriately to the details of the proposal and outline our concerns, objections or agreements.

Please visit http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/aboutus/resources/majorpubs/other/pages/scuba_diving_fee to review the information and to provide your input.

We encourage you to talk with your diving instructor, dive centre, fellow divers and dive club about this proposal. Deadline for submissions is 1st December 2005 which allows some time to review the information and discuss with your colleagues. Thank you for taking your valuable time to review this email and for providing your input to the NSW Government’s proposal.

Yours sincerely,

The Team at PADI Asia Pacific

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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 22:32

Monday, Nov 07, 2005 at 22:32
Just dont pay it, and go diving anyway..

Who would walk down Shiprock to check if you paid? I know I hated walkin down there to dive, let alone no reason..

And how do you prove it once your in the water.. Places like the Coal Loader down Shoalhaven way you maybe in strife or commercial sites or off Kurnell park, but how do you prove it while your in the water? "Oh I dont have my wallet with me at 50ft... " or are you expected to carry it anyway now...

Also who decides what a "critical habitat sites only" is ? and how often will they add new places just to gain more bux.. Phuk em eye sai.
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Reply By: ev700 - Tuesday, Nov 08, 2005 at 01:03

Tuesday, Nov 08, 2005 at 01:03
I think a lot of the pressure for new imposts like thos come from bureaucrats trying to maintain or extend their turf.

Once you set up any organisation the bureaucrats become more about maintaining and extending their numbers and levels that the original purpose of the organisation is soon forgotten and they pursue other goals.

This is why I think all laws and regulations should have a 'sunset' clause built in and every law and regulation should have a statement of purpose worded in layman's terms (after all if a lay person cannot understand it, how then is he/she to support and comply with it?).
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Reply By: davros_who - Tuesday, Nov 08, 2005 at 14:32

Tuesday, Nov 08, 2005 at 14:32
This is what I said in my response......

I have been diving for 23 years. I was taught, and teach all students, low/no impact diving skills. I would say that 99% + of the thousands that I have met in this sport, are all concerned about conservation.

Others do harm reefs and animals, such as sport fisherman, some of whom actually target grey nurse sharks. Fisherman seem to take pride in catching and killing our blue groper! If you had ever seen theses beautiful animals up close, you would understand my outrage at the actions of these people.

Some tour operators are idiots, and drop anchor wherever they like, which often badly damages reefs and habitat, because they are too lazy or too ignorant to set up a decent mooring. Ignorant tourists throw plastic bags overboard while on sightseeing tours. I have seen many dead green and loggerhead turtles which have ingested some fools plastic bag.
I have personally held a loggerhead as it died, due to plastic bag, and fishing tackle ingestion.

I have many more examples of "others" damaging our wonderful natural resources.

I think it is unfair and misleading to penalise divers, when we as a group do so much to promote conservation and awareness of habitat issues. Feel free to contact me at any time, if you would like to discuss this further.

Stephen
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