LOKKA installation
Submitted: Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 14:57
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charlie
Has anyone installed a auto lokking differential to the front of their rig. Just bought one from 4WD Systems for $400 for my jeep wrangler. I have basic mechanical knowledge.
If anyone has any experience with the Lokka or owning a fourby with one in it I'd be glad to hear your feedback.
Cheers,
Charlie
Reply By: Pilbara Wayne - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 15:11
Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 15:11
Charlie
I had a 4WD Systems lokka in my GQ a couple of years back. It worked really
well, but was a bit noisy on the road if the hubs were locked. The lokka also had a return to centre steering effect and would feel a little heavier when climbing rocky slopes. Other than that it made a significant difference to the traction. (One time I had the GQ bellied out in a hole on the side of a dune. I got out to look and thought I'd be there for ages digging etc. Hoped in to see how it would go.... and bugger me if it didnt just reverse out!)
I had it installed by a mechanic as the job looked like it needed to be set up properly with clearances etc. Besides the vehicle was going in for a couple of other jobs at the same time. I've read that its really important to get this right and it might pay to get someone to do it for you.
Now that I've upgraded the GQ to a GU I dont have a front locker at all and have been looking to fit one. Problem is I'm not sure how I want to go!
Hope that info helps!!
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Reply By: John L G - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 15:50
Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 15:50
Charlie
I installed one last year to the front of my 75 series crew cab because I needed a bit of extra traction due to the vehicles extended length.
I opted to have it fitted by a diff centre locally and the cost came to about $250 which at least gave me peace of mind knowing it had been done correctly and not bodged by installing it myself.
The lokka in operation is quiet and very difficult to hear when engaging or disengaging, the most obvious effect being the vehicle wanting to run straight which is a side effect of any type of system.
The extra traction is quite noticeable especially when tackling sand hills and climbing rocky terrain.
All in all a plus.
John G
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 15:55
Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 15:55
Quote: "the most obvious effect being the vehicle wanting to run straight which is a side effect of any type of system"............
Sorry John, I hate to be pedantic, but if you go the extra distance and fit an Air Locker, there is absolutely NO side effect of the locker's existence (except when you engage it of course).
Cheers
Roachie
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Reply By: John L G - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 16:08
Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 16:08
Roachie
Yes, that is true, but as the lokka only engages when it's required, the differences between the Air Locker and the Lokka is zip except that the air locker pilot gets to exercise his pinkie on the toggle all afternoon.
John G
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Follow Up By: mfewster - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 22:54
Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 22:54
I just re-read Roachie's post and feel I should add a little more to my previous post. Roachie, you are missing the point. There is no steering effect from an autolokka unless you are in 4WD with hubs engaged. With hubs engaged the autolocker is on but still quite comfortable to steer compared to an airlocker which can virtually only go in a straight line, then must be disengaged to turn, then engaged again and so on.
The "problem" with the slight over self centring effect of the autolocker is that any time you are in 4WD, you feel that effect whereas you can be in 4WD with an airlocker and switch the locker off.
For this reason autolockers should not be used on vehicles with full time 4WD because then you will get the self centring effect (and probably windup) when driving on bitumen. With a manual wd and manual locking hubs you shouldn't be in 4WD on bitumen.
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Reply By: Tuff60 - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 16:11
Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 16:11
As I've said before, don't use an auto locker, in the front, if you ever plan to drive up to the snow, where you need chains.
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Follow Up By: Member -Dodger - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 16:33
Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 16:33
WHY?
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Follow Up By: D-Jack - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 17:06
Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 17:06
I second that, WHY??????
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Follow Up By: Tuff60 - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 01:53
Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 01:53
Feel free to experience it for yourself, I have and have no plans to do it again, but to explain simply. Auto lockers are locked in a straight line and forced to unlock when cornering on hard grippy surfaces, ice/snow does not provide the grip required to unlock the lockers. Therefore on ice/snow there is the problem with both front wheels turning the same speed the car tends to just want to plow on straight ahead, hence somewhat unsafe, as the roads tend to wind back and
forth rather than straight up the side of the mountain.
Also remember that the auto locker is locked in any time the hubs are locked so taking it out of 4WD does not fix the turning problem.
I'm of the opinion that it should be mentioned in the warnings that come with the product. I'm not out to rubbish auto lockers, or upset their owners, just letting people know about my experiences, is that not what this
forum is all about?
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Follow Up By: D-Jack - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 08:05
Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 08:05
Thanks
Just wanted to know why, hadn't heard that before. Yes, that is what the
forum is all about.
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Follow Up By: Member -Dodger - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 10:04
Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 10:04
Further to Tuff60,
Yes I agree with what you say to an extent however when the 4wd is not engaged but the hubs locked the locka ramps over very easily and has very little effect on steering. Provided it has been set up correctly.
I have been on black ice with
mine and funnily enough it was the rear wheels that let go front maimtained traction probably due to engine weight.
In the snow
mine worked as it is supposed to, but I had chains on which gave a good grip. And this was towing a van.
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Follow Up By: Tuff60 - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 14:35
Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 14:35
Dodger, you're dead right it doesn't do it when there is enough traction, ie chains, good grip solves the problem completely. In VIC anyway, you are not required to fit chains most the time, if you have a 4WD, which is when people find out about auto lockers and their little scary moments. I don't think it is a setup problem, as auto lockers aren't meant to unlock when there is a lack of traction. If you tansfer case is working correct, unless you're sliding round corners, there is no way the back can slip without the fronts slipping as
well, unless your in a constant 4WD, which allows different front/rear driveshaft speeds. As I said before not trying to upset auto locker owners, just think future buyers should be warned, before they find out for themselves.
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Reply By: Wayne W - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 17:06
Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 17:06
Hi all,
I'm a little confused by John G's reply. I was under the impression that a "lokka" in the front diff was engaged all the time and only unlocked/released when steering? Which is why it is important to have it installed properly.
Then again, I could be wrong.
Cheers,
Wayne.
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Follow Up By: Member - Matt Mu (Perth-WA) - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 17:26
Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 17:26
Nah you are actually correct...most auto lockers should be renamed auto unlockers!!
Same result even if described slightly wrong, they are locked and unlock when you have the same resistance on each wheel but different turing rates.
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Reply By: mfewster - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 19:17
Tuesday, Aug 23, 2005 at 19:17
I have an autolokka on the front of a 60 series landcruiser. When not in 4WD with the hubs locked there is absolutely no difference to the regular steering (which is also the case with an air locker).
With 4wd engaged (and hubs locked of course) then there is a small change in the steering "feel". ie, the stronger self centring action others have mentioned. It is no problem however and seems to me to be preferable to the continual switching on off that has to be done if air lockers are needed in constantly changing conditions like kms of
sand dunes. Driving long distances over gravel roads where you want 4wd on but don't really need the lokka means the auto lokka steering effect is felt where an airlocker in 4WD would have no steering effect. It's a little different, but really no problem. Can't say I have noticed any extra noise when the lokka is on, but then, in the situations I have 4WD engaged there tends to be a fair bit of noise and I may just not be hearing it.
Had
mine fitted by a mechanic. Cost $250. No problems at all but it sure gives a lot of extra bite when I need it, especially when running with reduced tyre pressures.
For
mine, I wouldn't consider getting an air locker on a vehicle with manual engaging hubs. Centre locking and full time 4WD are a different story however.
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Follow Up By: Phil M - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 19:45
Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 19:45
I would like to know if anyone can tell me what benifits/disadvantages one of these lokkas would give me in the rear of a full time 4wd landcruiser. eg, noticable increased tyre wear, steering prodlems when unlocking, noise, etc,.
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Reply By: mfewster - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 21:03
Wednesday, Aug 24, 2005 at 21:03
Phil M, my personal experience is confined to an auto lokka at the front on a manual locking 60 series where it has been great, but before I got
mine I followed this up with a number of leads. The manufacturer doesn't recommend them with full time 4WD. Apart from possible wind up, you wouldn't want to have the lockup effect while driving on bitumen at highway speeds. There are plenty of negative stories on the web from people who have fitted them on the rear of vehicles and had disconcerting and unexpected (though fairly minor) directional change experiences, especially on wet bitumen. I would only consider putting one on the rear if the majority of my driving was off road and I had a manually engaged 4WD. They are not an LSD
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