willow jerry cans

What IS that THING in your rig pic?

What is that "THING" on YOURS

lolol

What happened to the N & the T in your signature?

Was very subtle.

Have you tried clicking on it for a close up??? dont you get them in vic??
I will be back on the net this evening if you havnr guessed I will give you a hint

Dunno what happened to the NT after my name. Must be the right wing conservatives that run this site. All of my web stuff is logged on as See You NT. It has never been removed by any other sites at all. I guess that they dont recognise the wonderful state that I live in. Doesnt matter too much. I spend more time on other places than here. this is a bit conservative for me althoug a few of the reads are pretty good.

Excellent advice Mike,

don't know if many people watch Mythbusters on ABC but they attempted to test the refuelling fire scenario with mobile phones.

Their conclusion was that the actual fires are not caused by electrical devices but by people not discharging static electricity when they get out of their cars.

They use their automatic fuel hatch button and then remove the plastic fuel cap. Then whilst refuelling they make contact with the car body generating a little spark which ignites the fuel vapours.

Refuelling containers whilst in the vehicle could also cause the same type of events due to the fuel creating static electricity in the container and in most instances the person will be supporting or resting on the container and be conducting the static electricity themselves. As the fumes gather in a semi enclosed area touching the car body then could create a spark.

I wouldn't take the Mythbusters findings as gospel as they don't have a what you could call a controlled environment during their experiments but it is food for thought.

Hi rengatt

>don't know if many people watch Mythbusters on ABC

Tried it once but decided the target audience was 15 year old boys :)

>but they attempted to test the refuelling fire scenario with
>mobile phones.

Given the output power of mobile phones the chances of it generating enough field strength to cause a spark is probably less than being struck by lightening whilst filling up. Although it is just possible that poor battery contacts in a mobile might (on a good day with a back wind) generate a spark.

>I wouldn't take the Mythbusters findings as gospel as they don't
>have a what you could call a controlled environment during their
>experiments but it is food for thought.

The US has had quite a few fires/explosions at filling stations where there is very strong circumstantial evidence to indicate static as the cause. And almost everyone has first hand experience of the energy produced when their car get a decent build-up of static - it's enough
to give an unpleasant shock to the human body and more than enough volts to produce a spark which is all petrol vapour needs. It's a subject which is not getting enough exposure but as it's one most non technical people will not naturally understand there really needs to be more education about it.

Mike Harding

PS. Apparently diesel does produce a lot more static than petrol when you pour it but because it has a lower flash point it’s not a big issue.

Harding puts brain in gear:

Diesel has a _higher_ flash point than petrol!

"Tried it once but decided the target audience was 15 year old boys"

cmon Mike! We all have a little boy inside crying to get out. I reckon its bloody halarious. (that is, in between the static that is usually the reception I get on that channel)

I wouldn't worry about earthing if your dealing with Diesel, that's the whole point with diesel. It doesn't ignite like petrol does (doesn't leave the same kind of vapour trail). Why do you think the diesel bowsers still let you lock the pump on and not hold the pump handle while filling, because if you get a small spark (Static) when you earth yourself to the handle again it's extremely unlikeley it will cause a problem, that's also while trucks etc (and me) keep the motor running while filling up as it's not a drama (no spark plugs for a start) but also because the fuel is a lot less volitile.

As to why there is a different container (and a more expensive one) for diesel stuff knows, I use my black plastic jerrys for both, changing between fuels all the time with them, never had problem.

You tried finding a bowser that lets you lock in the diesal pump? Drove me crazy filling the 250l tanks on the work utes. Then I figured it out, go to servos with truck filling stations and use those as they usually do lock in but most of the car type ones dont (truck ones fill faster 2)

Hi Davoe

On the work ute I used the fuel tank cap wedged in the handle to lock it. Then again one overzealous pump guy saw me washing my windscreen etc while filling up and turned the pump off and told me off(!) I guess it's his job, but I didn't fill up there ever again. Time's too valuable to hold the diesel pump for ages.

90% of the normal Diesel pumps I use here in Vic and Southern NSW you can click on and I haven't ever seen a high flow at a truck stop that couldn't be clicked on...

Peter

Yeah Davoe, gotta admit that I've notice a few of the "pleb" standard flow pumps with removed locks but I try not to use them, I'd much prefer fast flow as long as I don't have to wait for someone else using it. I might only have a 65L tank but it's cool to put the pump in, lock it on, turn around on the spot and have your tank full LMAO! The Fast flows even in the undercover'd bowsers all have locks still. I've also been known to use the petrol cap as a wedge as well, it does work but it's a pain if the handle is all diesel greasey as it keeps slipping out!

I feel sorry for the poor bastrds that have to fill Prado's up with ULP... You see them there putting 170L of ULP in, I get impatient filling up the 40L tank in the Echo with those painfully slow ULP bowsers!!

Yep, poor bastrd petrol prado owner here. You got it spot on Jeff.

Sounds like supercheap are just jumping on the "rip the diesel owner blind for no reason" bad wagon then eh? Ba$#$%#@@#$#%##@#!

...not wishing to hijack the thread, but my understanding of the idea of blue for water is that that colour has something to do with slowing down or stopping the growth of those little bugs that live in water, i.e. water in a clear container will go off quicker than water in a blue container.

Cheers

Buggerlux

Maybe I should have included a big TIC in my post.

Timber, if that was the case then the black Jerry's would be best for water as no light would get in at all! ;-)

That's why my water tank is black, and all my hoses are not translusant. (spelling??)

One of the resons why they are color coded is that they match the color of the fuel that goes in them eg, dieso yellow , the old leaded was red .Same as the tags you can buy for steel gerry cans.
...........Just my opinion
Catchya

Can you not fit the fast flow nozzle in the red ones?? My black ones are a snug fit, it just slides in touching the sides (we are talking about fuel here!) ;-)

If the red ones can't take the fast flow, I'd go the yellow too as it'd be a pain in the but having to always use std flow...