Harold Scruby - Pedestrian Council

Submitted: Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 08:48
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Hi All,

Those of us who like to complain about Mr Harold Scruby should read page 19 of today's Australian. Interesting stuff. He is not to be ignored.
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Magnus

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Reply By: Member - Jack - Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 08:55

Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 08:55
Hi Magnus:

As I don't buy the Australian (or any other paper) can you sling me a hint on what he has said. Much obliged.

Jack
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Follow Up By: Magnus - Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 09:08

Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 09:08
Jack,

It is an article about him and his impact on the Motor Car Industry.

Will scan and post

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Follow Up By: Magnus - Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 09:41

Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 09:41
Jack,

Here it is The Australian November 11th 2004 page 19

Walk man Drives car wars
Simon Canning

OVER the past five years Harold Scruby, chairman of the Pedestrian Council of Australia, has averaged at least one mention in mainstream media every week. It's a level of coverage that even politicians would struggle to match as Scruby fights for the rights of pedestrians. Scruby's name not only appears regularly in the media (In the past week he has publicised his views on road dangers as various as four-wheel-drives and bicycles) but he is also perhaps the most dedicated complainant to the Advertising Standards Board.

The ASB is the industry-run watchdog for ads that offend or breach an auto-industry-backed code of practice on advertising. The code itself was strengthened earlier this year, thanks in part to lobbying by Scruby. Shortly after the new code's adoption several months ago, Scruby was delighted when after his complaints, an ad for Mitsubishi was ordered off the air. Similarly, two weeks ago an ad for Mini that offended Scruby and his supporters was also found to breach the code. He now awaits the outcome of his latest complaint against Mercedes, in which a monk uses the superior handling of the car to dodge flying insects.

Sources at the ASB suggest Scruby and a small band of supporters are the main reason why car ads last year were the sector that received the most complaints.
According to information obtained by Media, complaints against car ads largely emanate from just four sources. "These four complainants collectively complained about 53 separate motor vehicle advertisements during 2003," a source at the ASB said. "In most of these cases they were the sole complainants in
Australia." According to the source, 72 per cent of complaints come from these four sources.

"If asked is Harold Scruby the lead complainant in this group of four, the answer would be yes."

One source at the ASB said of Scruby's relationship with the board: "He is a sufficiently frequent caller to be on first-name terms with the complaints manager." Privately, those close to the ASB admit frustration with the level of correspondence that cascades from Scruby's office, although publicly they support his right to lodge complaints.

"The ASB operates a service designed to serve the general public, and Mr Scruby is regarded that way," an ASB source said. "We have no information on the
Pedestrian Council, in relation to who funds it, who belongs to it and who — if anyone — ever complains to it about advertising." Similarly, those in the car industry express private frustration at having to deal with Scruby's ongoing complaints to the ASB. But again, seek a public comment and the auto industry admits Scruby and his organisation are free to question the manner of car advertising — although they claim many of his issues are "trivial". The phrase "serial pest" is how one automotive executive described him.

Ironically, it's a description Scruby himself revels in. "If being a serial pest manages to save one life, then I'm happy to be one," Scruby told Media.
There is little doubt that over the years Scruby has become a man of influence. The campaigner has the ear of legislators and motoring groups.

Scruby's war against cars began in the early 1990s, when as deputy mayor of the affluent Sydney suburb of Mosman, he fought for the introduction of 40km/h zones outside schools. Some critics suggest his interest in the health of pedestrians stretches back to the '80s, when Scruby himself was involved in an accident with a pedestrian. Scruby denies this and notes it was the jogger who was later found to be at fault.

But the question many car marketers, and even those within the ASB, are asking is: is a special interest group taking advantage of the system, and should the ASB and the car code be reformed to take it into account. Doubtless Scruby would say no. But, then, who else is complaining about car ads?
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Follow Up By: Member - Jack - Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 10:46

Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 10:46
Thanks for that .... appreciate the effort you put into it.

In the case of Scruby - life begins when you get one.

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Jack
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Follow Up By: Magnus - Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 11:37

Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 11:37
No problems Jack,

In the process discovered that Word 2003 no longer talks to my OCR software. Grumble grumble. Had to use good ole Word. Pain pain.

In the end, decided I could live with it. Don't know whether to blame Service Pack 2 or not. May as well, SP2 has caused problems with most everything else on my PC. Almost tempted to do a reformat and re-install of a clean XP Pro without the Service Packs!!!.

Magnus
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Follow Up By: Member - Jack - Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 12:00

Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 12:00
Not sure about Word 2003, but usually (in my Word 2000) if something isn't working I just stick my Word CD in and reinstall it - there is an option which allows you to pick what you want to install. You might find the OCR software sitting there just waiting for you :)

Thanks again ...

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Reply By: Allan Mac (VIC) - Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 10:04

Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 10:04
Unfortunately HE has to much influence on government and media forces and he plays the tune. If you keep inudating the political and media fronts of course they are going to reply. Have a look at the crap that he created on the Ozflag debates. He even gets a mention in Hansard and heaven help us on ebay !! The man is a serial pest.
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Reply By: Member - Graham P (QLD) - Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 10:26

Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 10:26
A campain needs to be mounted against Mr. Scurby perhaps along the lines of " serial pest " or discrimination in terms of the vehicle one drives. There is no point in attacking the man personnally but attack his ideas and the effect they are having on a persons quality of life. Just as it is not right to attack someones obesicity for example. He claims that he is saving lives - I doubt it, there is a huge increase in the road rage attacks both against vehicles and cyclists and this continued attacking by scurby is flaming the situation not quitening it down.

anyway must go and do some work

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Follow Up By: Magnus - Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 11:39

Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 11:39
Graham,

Precisely why I posted the post. It is the only way to deal with the publicity he generates.

Magnus
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Reply By: D-Jack - Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 11:44

Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 11:44
If SCRUBY is so intent on saving lives, if he was really serious without some hidden ego or fame agenda, he would turn his efforts toward drug and alcohol abuse - I guarantee these things kill way more people than cars on roads.

As for the pedestrian being at fault when he had his accident, probably over 90% are. Maybe he should turn his attention to pedestrians crossing the roads correctly, walking with care, using the pedestrian crossings, and even LOOKING before they cross. I am often a pedestrian in ADELAIDE, but have nevery even looked like being hit by a car because I take care when crossing the road. Except when I come across a 4wd with a Bull Bar - those guys hunt you down to run you over and cause as much damage as they can with their bullbar, whilst using their mobile phone and being arrogant!

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Follow Up By: Magnus - Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 11:56

Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 11:56
Thank goodness my Tribute doesn't have a Bull Bar.

Apart from that, agree with most of what you say.

Cheers

Magnus

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Follow Up By: Utemad - Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 12:30

Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 12:30
Sorry Magnus I think you are mistaken.

He was talking about 4WDs with bullbars RAFLMAO

Sorry couldn't help it.
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Follow Up By: Baz (NSW) - Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 12:40

Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 12:40
Yeah but there is only 15 people in Adelaide at any one time and you don't have peak hour it's 5 minutes.
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Follow Up By: Magnus - Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 15:17

Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 15:17
Utemad,

BYB

Cheers

Magnus
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Reply By: beatit - Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 12:44

Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 12:44
Hi Magnus,

Just had a look at the Pedestrian Council of Australia website, their charter is focussed on encouraging walking not necesserally at motor vehicle/pedestrian accidents - infact, there is only a vague mention about vehicle safety AND the main sponsors for this council is the NSW government. I would say it is a fair call to suggest he has got off the main focus because he a media tart.

See http://www.walk.com.au/pedestriancouncil/page.asp

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Follow Up By: Magnus - Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 15:40

Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 15:40
Hi beatit

Had a look at that site. Interesting it is sponsored by NSW. Also did an advanced search on Scruby using Google. He certainly does make one heck of a lot of noise for one person.

Yep, he does seem to have got on a different hobby horse to the Council's main thrust.

Thanks for the link.
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Follow Up By: Wazza (Vic) - Friday, Nov 12, 2004 at 13:39

Friday, Nov 12, 2004 at 13:39
Magnus,

I also did a Google for Scruby, I came up with this perler from the NSW Legislative Assembly Hansard:

Mr BLACK: .........What an absolute disgrace! How low can he go? Unlike Mr Scruby, Country Labor publicly extended its condolences to the woman's family. Also, in a much less public fashion, we continued to express concerns about Mr Scruby's plan. We understand some of Mr Scruby's concerns, and we even agree with some of them. He has some sensible suggestions, such as restricting attachments—fishing rods and bicycles—to bullbars on the front of a vehicle.

Mr Stoner: Point of order: The honourable member for Murray-Darling has referred to Mr Scruby as Mr Scrubby. I raise the matter so that the gentleman concerned will not be offended by the reference to "Scrubby".

Mr BLACK: I apologise for the mispronunciation.......

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Follow Up By: Magnus - Friday, Nov 12, 2004 at 13:52

Friday, Nov 12, 2004 at 13:52
Wazza

Absolutely amazing stuff. And we paid for it as well!! Thanks for the link

Magnus
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Reply By: pmacks - Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 12:44

Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 12:44
a few quick points about mr scruby,
He is independly wealthy ( good on him ) He is the pedesrian safety council and his profile is a testament to what one person with a fax machine can do. yes he is most certainly a serial pest, but he is hard to argue against because you here him the loudest after a fatal car accident and IMHO his sole reason for being is to rid the streets of large vehicles ( not only four wheel drives with bull bars ) and will not be happy untill everyone is ridding tricycles. So you have one person who bombarbs every media organisation in Australia with faxes stating dubiuos here say as fact then every time he gets refered to his profile increases and before you no it he is an expert or at least refered to as one.
from a purely marketing perspective it has been a brilliant campaign but i feel his influence is finally starting to dwindle as the real experts are starting to take him to task over his ideas and pointing out the stupidty of some of them, we can only hope this keeps happening and the motoring industry stop trying to pretend he is not there and actually keep up the fight against this pest.
Sorry to ramble but i feel better now
Pmacks
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Reply By: Member - Sand Man (SA) - Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 17:02

Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 17:02
I wouldn't mind Harold meeting my bullbar

Whooops!!!
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Follow Up By: Member - Clive G (WA) - Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 18:20

Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 18:20
Dont you swat pests.

ooppps did I say that

Clive
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Reply By: sean - Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 19:17

Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 19:17
Whose views are being presented - Mr Scrubys' or the Pedestrian Council.

I think that Mr Harold Scruby is not acting as a representative but instead using his position to falsely push his own views.

Too many pedestrians get run over. Thats a fact. And an aging population is not helping things at all. I really dont see how Mr Scruby is making a signficant positive impact by concentrating his efforts on the MB add that I think any reasonable person would not find offensive.

Sean
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Reply By: David O - Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 22:09

Thursday, Nov 11, 2004 at 22:09
Mtr Scruby getting so much coverage in the media amounts to media bias.
Complain to these places in writing

The Media Entertainment & Arts Alliance: 245 Chalmers Street, Redfern, 2016; Tel: (02) 333-0999; Fax: 02)333-0933.

The Australian Press Council: Suite 302, 149 Castlereagh Street, Sydney, 2000; Tel: (02)261-1930; Fax: (02)267-6826

Australian Broadcasting Tribunal: Complaints: 570 Bourke Street, Melbourne, 3000, (008) 337-417; Head Office: 76 Berry Street, North Sydney 2060, (02) 959-7811
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Reply By: Max - Sydney - Friday, Nov 12, 2004 at 20:36

Friday, Nov 12, 2004 at 20:36
Guys

Mr Scruby is a pain in the neck, but he does get some practical results. Like; NSW never faced up to protecting kids at pedestrian crossongs. Almost single handed he has got speed limts (40 km/h), enforcement of them, and some flashing lights (trials at this stage) so you know they are there.

SA had all that in the 1950s when I was a kid, and a 25 k limit to boot. Took a serial pest to get some very obvious action in NSW.

Stirrers do some good.

:-)
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