Speedie Sleeve
Submitted: Tuesday, Dec 31, 2024 at 11:22
ThreadID: 149372
Views:799
Replies:7
FollowUps:13
Member - lyndon NT
Hi All
I have had ongoing issues with grease bypassing the axle seal to the hand brake shoes. I believe this is due to some imperfections caused by rust on the axle shaft. Just wondering if folks can lend me their experience with using a knock on seal of this type.
Thanks
Lyndon
PS, I always replace the oil seal each time axle is out for bearing servicing. I can see how this could be damaged once, but not each time, hence why I think it is grease getting out.
axle
Reply By: Member - Bigfish - Tuesday, Dec 31, 2024 at 11:35
Tuesday, Dec 31, 2024 at 11:35
Mat just had the same issue with a 9 inch ford diff. He cleaned it up and used a speedie sleeve...no more leaks. I do believe that he also had it put it on a lathe. Bursons Autos did the job in
Cairns. You will need to get the axle lathed , just looking at the pit marks and wear rings. I,d see how much for a new axle compares to getting the old one refurbished.
AnswerID:
647112
Follow Up By: Member - lyndon NT - Tuesday, Dec 31, 2024 at 12:10
Tuesday, Dec 31, 2024 at 12:10
Howdy, defiantly some pit marks, not much wear, 120k in 20 years :-)
I believe the axle, diff etc is all one piece
Cheers
Lyndon
FollowupID:
927916
Follow Up By: axle - Tuesday, Dec 31, 2024 at 15:00
Tuesday, Dec 31, 2024 at 15:00
G/Day Lyndon.
Are you saying the axle housing and stub axle is all one piece?...
If planning to keep the vehicle I,m with Big Fish Renew it all.
Other wise its just a botch up! Speedie seals are ok for the short term
but dont last , they just follow the original grooves
Learnt that with trucks a long time ago!
Cheers Mate.
FollowupID:
927920
Follow Up By: Batt's - Tuesday, Dec 31, 2024 at 18:04
Tuesday, Dec 31, 2024 at 18:04
The best fix is as mentioned above get it machined correctly it's not that expensive I had a GQ patrol done several years ago.
FollowupID:
927924
Follow Up By: RMD - Tuesday, Dec 31, 2024 at 21:36
Tuesday, Dec 31, 2024 at 21:36
QLD Axle.
The item mentioned isn't a seal, it is a sleeve and slides over the groove to restore a cylindrical surface for the hub seal. Not sure what you mean, "a Speedie seal follows the original groove". A slightly larger seal lip dia may be needed depending on the difference.
FollowupID:
927925
Reply By: Peter_n_Margaret - Tuesday, Dec 31, 2024 at 11:45
Tuesday, Dec 31, 2024 at 11:45
I would put a speedie sleeve on that. Would not do anything else. Quick, cheap and effective.
And if it does not do the job for some strange reason, there is nothing lost.
Cheers,
Peter
OKA196 motorhome
AnswerID:
647113
Follow Up By: Member - lyndon NT - Tuesday, Dec 31, 2024 at 12:13
Tuesday, Dec 31, 2024 at 12:13
Cheers
Now what size to order.................
And how to tap it on, need a very long hollow tube of some sort ?
I have also seen mention that some folks use a soft type of loctite under the sleeve to provide a %100 seal?
FollowupID:
927917
Reply By: RMD - Tuesday, Dec 31, 2024 at 13:10
Tuesday, Dec 31, 2024 at 13:10
Lyndon,
That looks to be just an axle like on a trailer. The AXLE doesn't "come out" only the hub is removed,. Is that correct? Or are we only seeing the axle housing where the bearings sit? and the ACTUAL AXLE, ie, the bit that rotates, is not in view!
If you used fine wet/dry paper sequentially around the area it may freshen up the seal track path so any current roughness doesn't chew the new seal lip. If it is a definite groove, then when fitting a new seal, it, (the seal Lip) would need to be slightly offset from that area. Even a different brand might have the seal lip slightly, out or in, from current replacements. If Grease is added as a coating to the inner axle area, ie, Further IN from the seal, the axle won't rust right from new.
Yes, a speedi sleeve would refresh it too.
If it IS a live axle in an axle housing and we are seeing the axle housing, it means a differential is also involved. Is the Diff housing breather known to be clear. Otherwise the temp rise and subsequent increase in pressure, WILL ALWAYS try and push hub grease out of a seal!
AnswerID:
647114
Follow Up By: Member - lyndon NT - Tuesday, Dec 31, 2024 at 13:25
Tuesday, Dec 31, 2024 at 13:25
Hi
2004 78 series FTE.
Ah, the breather, something tells me I checked these some years back for this reason. I'll have another look. Breather sits under top of engine bay.
I think I have rebuilt these 3 times now with same result.
Will need to pull it apart, then get measurements and order sleeves.
Cheers
Lyndon
FollowupID:
927919
Follow Up By: RMD - Tuesday, Dec 31, 2024 at 21:45
Tuesday, Dec 31, 2024 at 21:45
Lyndon.
When the sealing is corrected and even a first bearing service, if you fit a suitable dia large section "O" ring to the seal area, a snug fit there, with some lube on it, when the hub and seal is reinstalled it simply pushes the O ring a bit further inward and it slides against the inner face of the seal and near the lip angle. That assists in keeping the dirt away while providing a dirt shielding. ie Helping to stop dirt from getting right to where the lip is running.
FollowupID:
927926
Reply By: Batt's - Wednesday, Jan 01, 2025 at 09:30
Wednesday, Jan 01, 2025 at 09:30
Overall it's your choice what you do, how much mucking around and time you spend on chasing bits and trying to fix it either say on the cheap or correctly. This will determine wether your back doing it again either in the near future or not.
AnswerID:
647115
Follow Up By: Member - Bigfish - Wednesday, Jan 01, 2025 at 11:11
Wednesday, Jan 01, 2025 at 11:11
He has rebuilt the same thing 3 times. Thats far too many. Take it to a professional
shop and get it done correctly. Sometimes trying to save a quid just leads to more expense and disappointment.
FollowupID:
927927
Follow Up By: Batt's - Wednesday, Jan 01, 2025 at 14:33
Wednesday, Jan 01, 2025 at 14:33
But he might get it this time.
I wonder what the cost is up to now.
FollowupID:
927928
Reply By: Mikee5 - Wednesday, Jan 01, 2025 at 11:28
Wednesday, Jan 01, 2025 at 11:28
I fitted Durahubs to a tandem boat trailer years ago. Three rear seals worked perfectly while the fourth did not. I tried everything, emery paper and a different seal but in the end I bought and fitted a stainless steel speedie sleeve. That worked perfectly.
AnswerID:
647116
Reply By: Max E - Wednesday, Jan 01, 2025 at 11:52
Wednesday, Jan 01, 2025 at 11:52
I have owned many Landcruisers that have done a lot of Kms and would have been worn more than yours. I have never had a problem with grease on brake shoes.
The seal you are talking about is the hub seal, the axle seal is the small one in the end. If the diff breather is blocked it may push oil past the axle seal into the hub.
The only thing I can think of is that you are filling the hub with grease, rather than just the bearings.
AnswerID:
647117
Follow Up By: Member - lyndon NT - Thursday, Jan 02, 2025 at 20:22
Thursday, Jan 02, 2025 at 20:22
you may be on to something! CHEERS
FollowupID:
927939
Reply By: That Troopy Bloke - Wednesday, Jan 01, 2025 at 13:21
Wednesday, Jan 01, 2025 at 13:21
The axle seal is actually fitted inside the axle housing and runs on the axle shaft. It just prevents the diff oil from working it's way into the bearings. I believe you are talking about the hub seal which is fitted inside the hub up against the inner bearing.
Terrain Tamer do a 2 part seal which works on a similar principal to the marine seals that you use on a boat trailer. Perhaps give these a try.
Terrain Tamer HD hub seals
AnswerID:
647118
Follow Up By: Batt's - Wednesday, Jan 01, 2025 at 14:40
Wednesday, Jan 01, 2025 at 14:40
Looks like a good idea an improvement over the old style seal but you still should have a clean smooth non pitted surface before you fit them.
FollowupID:
927929
Follow Up By: TrevorDavid - Wednesday, Jan 01, 2025 at 15:22
Wednesday, Jan 01, 2025 at 15:22
G’Day Lyndon
Actually have those seals in the rear of my 2003 HDJ79, they are good, not cheap but good.
Also thought you may interested it these hub nuts. Helps get the preload adjustment just right. Also handy if just a nip up is required later on.
3x finer hub nutYouTube video
Regards
TrevorDavid
FollowupID:
927930
Follow Up By: Max E - Wednesday, Jan 01, 2025 at 16:54
Wednesday, Jan 01, 2025 at 16:54
I just ordered a set of the 3 x finer hub nuts. I had been redrilling the lock plate where I needed it for correct adjustment, but these will be much easier long term.
FollowupID:
927931