Fridge & Freezers

Good day everyone, its about time for a new fridge/freezer combination. My 40+ year old Engel, whilst still going, must be due for retirement and is either fridge or freezer single zone unit. I am considering the National Luna dual zone 60 litre unit. It looks to have a setup which appeals to me but i am wondering if anybody has experience with these units. There are some reviews around which are not recent and are a bit yes/no. They are a bit expensive but sometimes you need to spend a bit for reliability, etc.
TIA - bruce
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Reply By: Kazza055 - Tuesday, Dec 17, 2024 at 12:55

Tuesday, Dec 17, 2024 at 12:55
Hi Bruce, Jaycar have the 60L Brass Monkey Single or Dual Zone Fridge/Freezer with Removable Zone Divider out for $349.00 at the moment, I paid $599.00 a few years ago.

You could buy 3 or 4 of these for the price of one Luna.

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Follow Up By: Member - Bigfish - Wednesday, Dec 18, 2024 at 05:45

Wednesday, Dec 18, 2024 at 05:45
Vast majority of these cheap fridges provide great value for money. I. I have several Brass monkey fridges and all 3 work fine and have done so for the last 5 years. The one in the boat takes a big hiding but is still going strong. I have a 15 year old engelthat has sttod the test of time. For the price of a new engel you can easily buy 4 good Brass Monkeys. I purchased locally and the dealer said that if I have a problem and they cannot fix it within 30 minutes they would provide a new fridge.. As he said...great if your travelling and have an issue.
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Follow Up By: Kazza055 - Wednesday, Dec 18, 2024 at 11:25

Wednesday, Dec 18, 2024 at 11:25
Here is a very good review on them - A Review Of The Popular Brass Monkey Fridge

I don't need a fridge that will last 40 years as by that time I will be 112 years old.

I doubt if any fridge these days does not contain parts that are made in China or India etc. Forty years ago Engel and Waeco were probably the only portable fridge you could buy but now there is heaps of competition and the likes of Jaycar and RTM provide an excellent service network.
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Follow Up By: Member - McLaren3030 - Thursday, Dec 19, 2024 at 06:37

Thursday, Dec 19, 2024 at 06:37
Kazza055,

It could be something that you could pass on to your children or grandchildren.

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Follow Up By: Kazza055 - Thursday, Dec 19, 2024 at 10:19

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Why, they don't deserve anything.
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Reply By: Stephen L (Clare) SA - Tuesday, Dec 17, 2024 at 13:26

Tuesday, Dec 17, 2024 at 13:26
Stick with an Engel, the original and best car fridge in Australia

Before the other jump in to criticise me…tell me another brand will give you 40 years of service
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Follow Up By: b1b - Tuesday, Dec 17, 2024 at 17:56

Tuesday, Dec 17, 2024 at 17:56
G'day Stephen - The old Engel has done well ever since i have had it, but really after a dual zone unit. Maybe I should get the little 28 litre to use as a freezer. Not quite sure if i could fit both in the back of the car with all the other stuff i seem to carry. But you're correct, the Engel is a trusted unit.
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Follow Up By: Stephen L (Clare) SA - Tuesday, Dec 17, 2024 at 18:48

Tuesday, Dec 17, 2024 at 18:48
Hi B1 B

Are you aware that Engel have made dual zone fridges for years?
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Follow Up By: Member - rocco2010 - Tuesday, Dec 17, 2024 at 20:00

Tuesday, Dec 17, 2024 at 20:00
Yes Stephen, the main complaint I hear about Engels is the price.

I have one my father bought in the 1970s. Cleaning out my mother's  house a year or so ago I found the warranty registration card he had filled in but forgotten to post!  He never had a warranty claim.

I don't use it on trips as its smaller than the modern one I have and I suspect it uses a bit more power than its modern equivalent but it's handy for a weekend picnic.

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Follow Up By: b1b - Tuesday, Dec 17, 2024 at 21:01

Tuesday, Dec 17, 2024 at 21:01
Yes, I had forgotten about the dual zone Engel, did have a look at them some time ago, but there is an stockist close to me so i can go and have another inspection. There were a couple of things that i wasn't keen on (price being one) but then again, reliability is a big thing.
thanks for reminding me Stephen
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Reply By: Member - pedro1 - Tuesday, Dec 17, 2024 at 15:41

Tuesday, Dec 17, 2024 at 15:41
Going by the number of 4 year old car fridges in for repair, you may be better off staying with the oldie. As a point of note, the fridge repairer told the reliable German manufacturer of the Danfoss compressor was sold to a Chinese company . Say no more !
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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Tuesday, Dec 17, 2024 at 23:01

Tuesday, Dec 17, 2024 at 23:01
Do you have a link for that sale to China pedro1?
It seems that Secop (the designer/manufacturer of Danfoss compressors for 15+ years) is still a German company. Their compressors have been made in Slovakia and China for much of that time.
Wikipedia - Secop
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Thanks.
I can only see the headline, but there is no suggestion that this affects the compressor manufacture ownership?
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Reply By: Bricky - Tuesday, Dec 17, 2024 at 16:13

Tuesday, Dec 17, 2024 at 16:13
I'm sure the National Luna are a good fridge. Might be worth also checking out the Trailblaza. Made by Norcoast Refrigeration....Sunshine Coast I think.
I've had a 40lt fridge only since '96 and hasn't missed a beat.
Not saying they are better, just another option.
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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Tuesday, Dec 17, 2024 at 16:38

Tuesday, Dec 17, 2024 at 16:38
I wouldn't buy a bigger sized Brass Monkey. They are a budget brand. We have a 25L unit ($169 on a one day special) just for weekends and grocery shopping for our Sedan. It's good for that purpose but reviews overall are average over the entire range. I'm thinking about replacing my 25yo 90L Liemack Fridge with something around 70 L and after much research, I think I may go for a 75L KickAss Fridge freezer. They have had them made for some years in China with a few issues in the earlier model but the latest model seems sound with a 5 year warranty. Around $1000 with a H/D slide. Do your own research, I'm sure there are plenty of other good fridges around. When it comes to fridges, you definitely get what you pay for. Michael
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Follow Up By: IvanTheTerrible - Tuesday, Dec 17, 2024 at 19:53

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I have a 65 and a 75L Brass Monkey and for the price I cant fault either one. After breaking two leading brand fridges I wont be wasting my money on expensive fridges again.
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Tuesday, Dec 17, 2024 at 20:08

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Ivan, that's great, yes that's the way it goes sometimes. Michael
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Reply By: AlbyNSW - Tuesday, Dec 17, 2024 at 20:41

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Another option to consider is the Australian made Evakool range
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Follow Up By: b1b - Tuesday, Dec 17, 2024 at 21:07

Tuesday, Dec 17, 2024 at 21:07
yes, i have had a look at them, probably the 50litre unit, and they are certainly in the running for a collection. As with any thing, there is a couple of things that I am not keen on, but being Australian made is an incentive.
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Reply By: Member - McLaren3030 - Wednesday, Dec 18, 2024 at 07:00

Wednesday, Dec 18, 2024 at 07:00
Hi b1b,

I would choose an Engel, yes they are expensive, but they have so far outlasted most other brands. I have a 60 Ltr. Engel that is over 20 years old, lives in the back of my wagon, and a 35 Ltr. Waeco that is over 15 years old, which I use as a freezer from time to time.

If price is the issue, Waeco/Dometic is a less expensive option than an Engel, another one with a long history of operating in harsh conditions in Australia. My Coolman fridges are another less expensive brand. They are designed and manufactured in Germany and if you think they look like a Waeco you would be correct, the designers used to work for Waeco. Both these brands manufacture dual zone fridges in various sizes. Personally, if changing from a single zone to a dual zone, I would be looking at a 90 Ltr.

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Reply By: Garry L - Wednesday, Dec 18, 2024 at 07:50

Wednesday, Dec 18, 2024 at 07:50
Bruce

12 volt fridges are like wives - some blokes end up with a good one requiring no maintenance, no issues and last forever. Other blokes end up with a troublesome one requiring constant maintenance, expensive to run and never ending problems !

When I ran my outback tour business I had three fridges - 60 litre Engel, 60 litre Trailblazer and a 40 litre Engel. The 60 litre Engel needed workshop repairs four times in ten years the 40 litre went to the workshop twice and the Trailblazer just happily lived permanently on the back of my tray top in the elements.

One trip in the deserts there were seven different brands of fridges in the group and when the temperature hit 40 plus degrees the only fridge that kept its contents at it's set temperature was the Trailblazer. Only problem with the Trailbazer is it's size compared to other fridges.

I also have had the same 50 litre Waeco in my last two space cabs behind the passenger seat for 20 years with only one visit to the workshop needing a new control panel - I'm happy with it.
I also have a 60 litre ARB fridge in my Landcruiser wagon that has performed extremely well without issue but I've only had it seven years !


Good luck with whatever you purchase.

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Follow Up By: b1b - Wednesday, Dec 18, 2024 at 11:04

Wednesday, Dec 18, 2024 at 11:04
My Engel is 40+ years of service and gives me few problems, the warden, however, has 50+ years on her and is starting to need a bit of maintenance and does give me a bit of grief from time to time. Don't think I should start looking for a new one just yet.
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Reply By: North 200 - Wednesday, Dec 18, 2024 at 09:11

Wednesday, Dec 18, 2024 at 09:11
Our National Luna 60 litre unit has been going strong for ten years, we only use it as a freezer. We run it for 9 months a year at -18 degrees without any problems.
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Reply By: Member - LeighW - Wednesday, Dec 18, 2024 at 09:29

Wednesday, Dec 18, 2024 at 09:29
Another for waeco, have had four waeco/dometic units, two upright 80Ltr freezer fridges and two portables all have worked ok.

The thermsotates in the uprights can be tempremental in cold climates which does seem odd for a unit coming from Europe.

The portables run ok but I have found if you add an additional cooling fan they run more efficiently at the expense of some added noise.
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Follow Up By: b1b - Wednesday, Dec 18, 2024 at 11:07

Wednesday, Dec 18, 2024 at 11:07
Thanks - I still have a Waeco in the back and the only two things are the size (a bit small) and only a single zone. Haven't discarded them from my thought pattern yet but time to look around.
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Reply By: Member - peter g28 - Wednesday, Dec 18, 2024 at 12:06

Wednesday, Dec 18, 2024 at 12:06
I will add to the fridge debate..
I have three 12v compressor fridges.
My original I got back in 2007, I call Kevin07, because we got that $750.00 cash payment, so with that in my cold clammy hands, I went and bought a Bushman 35-50ltr fridge at the Brisbane Caravan Show. That fridge is still going strong in 2024...I've had that fridge in the back of the Paj in East Arnhem Land, during days of 34c 80% humidity out in communities..the Bushman did not miss a beat..it uses 4-5amps on startup and about 4amps running @2c with the fridge set up at 52ltrs.
So for $750.00 for a Bushman 35-52ltr compressor fridge in 2007, whilst an Engel 40ltr was $1200, the Bushman proved its worth.
Just in passing, interestingly last week, I have noticed a couple of the NSW Health Pathology vehicles having Bushman Fridges in cargo compartment of their Rav4's.
The other fridge is an Evakool 80ltr which I have in the Campertrailer, bought it from Tentworld on a $200 off sale, it has been very good and after 5 years has proven to very reliable and keeps both compartments at their maintained their temps very well.
When we were in Western NSW / Qld during some hot weather, the Evakool maintained both compartments at their individual temps and the power draw was only 5-6amps on start up and 4amps running.
I bought the Evakool to replace the 80ltr Engel dual compartment as it was quite noisy when cycling and due to its' design flaw was not keeping the fridge compartment below 5c, sometimes it would read 8-10c.
National Luna do have a good reputation but as you have noted they are expensive, but I find reliability V's cost of purchase is "within the eyes of the beholder", as there are so many permutations.

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Reply By: RMD - Wednesday, Dec 18, 2024 at 12:33

Wednesday, Dec 18, 2024 at 12:33
b1b
I bought an Engel 39L long ago and found it to be noisey with the Solenoid gas pump. No SWING motor as they claim. Nothing swings at all, simply reciprocating. It was either made with LOW gas or they don't like hot weather, as it is VERY slow to cool the internals, struggles in hot ambient weather and always has been that way. Engel dealer in Alice tested it and said ALL OK. but it isn't really.
I fitted fans to it LONG BEFORE ENGEL ever did with later models. My opinion is the insulation while claimed to be space age isn't particularly good. With fans and a heavy insulated cover, I mean HEAVILY Insulated it works acceptably.
For ANYONE wanting a fast cool down fridge to drag the temp of contents to 4C or even freeze it takes ages. I have a small Waeco and an OLD small Engel and both cool or freeze fairly quickly.
Even if you have the Engel tested by a Professional, doesn't mean it is actually working properly.

My small plastic case Engel I received from a dealer and it wouldn't work. Someone had butchered the circuit board for some reason. Fixed t but I was shocked to see this one dealer had a great pile of DEAD ENGELS out the back, and although the term. "you couldn't jump over the pile" is commonly used. This was the case. I have never seen so many dead fridges of one brand. Luckily mine still works. Son in law had a 40 L Engel on back of ute. After a lightning storm it was Cactus.

Keep using the one you have as either a fridge, or a freezer if it gets cold enough! A small one as a freezer would be my preference and if one fails you always have a backup/emergency. An all in one means total loss when it won't work.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Wednesday, Dec 18, 2024 at 13:21

Wednesday, Dec 18, 2024 at 13:21
RMD, like you, I found my first fridge, an Engel, to be very noisy. Carried in the car, not the camper it was tolerable, just. But when I placed it on the floor of the camper the whole camper resonated like a squadron of Mustangs taking off!! I needed to construct a complex sound isolation base for it. I was glad to see it go when we purchased the Troopy complete with a Waeco whose only problem was a flimsy plastic lid lock which I rebuilt from aluminium.

Incidentally, I think the reason it is called a “swing” motor is because the Japanese cannot pronounce “reciprocating”.
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Follow Up By: RMD - Wednesday, Dec 18, 2024 at 17:31

Wednesday, Dec 18, 2024 at 17:31
Thanks Allan.
It never occurred to me that is was because of speech difficulty!
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Wednesday, Dec 18, 2024 at 18:03

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I was only kidding. I haven’t got a clue actually. But it may be possible that the Japanese word to describe “oscillate” translates into “swing”.
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Follow Up By: Member - McLaren3030 - Thursday, Dec 19, 2024 at 06:55

Thursday, Dec 19, 2024 at 06:55
RMD & Allan B,

My experience with Engel is completely opposite to yours. The 60 Ltr. Engel I have has performed extremely well for over 20 years, bought in early 2004. It has always lived in the back of my vehicles, 3 wagons, in all that time. Have never found it noisy, I have even slept beside it in the car on one occasion, it has performed extremely well in all that time. Only issue has been having a thermistor replaced in 2006 I think. Travelled the GRR, Mereenie Loop road, Gunbarrel Highway, Peninsular Development/Bamaga Road, Tanami Track. It cools down quickly, and maintains temperature without any issues. Perhaps I have been lucky.

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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Thursday, Dec 19, 2024 at 09:47

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Nah Macca, no complaints about the performance or reliability, just the noise. But bear in mind that mine was purchased in 1983 so possibly there were product improvements since that time. I know that they were sure needed!
I had a couple of other chaps back then that complained about the noise so it was not just me with a faulty unit but clearly a product design failure. Close inspection did not reveal any issue such as mounting looseness or parts touching.
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Follow Up By: Gbc.. - Thursday, Dec 19, 2024 at 13:10

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We bought an Engel combi 60 in '06. Same as others it was a very noisy thing. Add to that we couldn't clean it successfully (rivetted divider) and the temp send battery was in the sender in the freezer so any time the fridge was turned on the sender went to sleep....
We moved on to an evakool RF series 60 in '08 - still got it, it has never been turned off apart from cleaning. Perfectly easy to live with and wash out and can be configured in any way we want. Bought the RF 115 for the camper 5 off years ago. It has the chinese danfoss and uses even less power than the 60! They will see me out and if they need a service they can go direct to the factory for the crew to have a squizz and fix them up - hasn't happened yet though.
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Reply By: Batt's - Wednesday, Dec 18, 2024 at 13:41

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It's always a hard question to get the answers you are looking for isn't it? I looked up some reviews and they don't seem any more reliable than any other brand.
Maybe if your going to be doing some travelling around a bit picking a brand that is available for easy access if you have issues and can be replaced under warranty straight away instead of a brand that might have you out of action for an annoying length of time it's a hard one.
I currently have 4 different brands of fridges the oldest a 20yr old Evakool pretty reliable with the old dial thermostat and has less electronics to play up like digital display fridges in saying that 2 of my fridges have digital display. I have a Kings centre console fridge which is a bit over 3 yrs old and has been good and they have outlets around the country so can hopefully be replaced fast if issues arise. Sorry for the odd reply but as said it's a hard one we have our own experiences lots seem to like the Brass Monkey I had one and never again it worked good while sitting still but played up half an hour into a journey. Each shop deals with customers differently they doubted me and tested the fridge incorrectly overnight on a factory floor then had to keep it for a 2nd day to test it in a travelling vehicle then they reluctantly refunded me because the didn't have a replacement fridge but still saying they found no fault with it when I knew it had an issue so that put me off the brand.
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Reply By: Glenn M8 - Wednesday, Dec 18, 2024 at 16:32

Wednesday, Dec 18, 2024 at 16:32
Hi b1b
So far in my travels I have used Engel, Trailblazer, Waeco and Evakool. Each have their own benefits and I would buy any 3 of the four again. I had a Waeco upright and it was the most power hungry fridge I have ever experienced. The Engel I had for 13 years and sold it to buy the Trailblazer as I needed a larger fridge to complete the Canning Trip I had planned. The 70l Trailblazer is now 24 years old and still running like the day I bought it. Used as a fridge freezer combo with bottom half freezer top fridge. Two of us can fit 3 weeks worth of frozen food in the freezer and run two trays in the top, 1 for drinks and 1 for other fridge items.
Recently got a new camper that has a 70l evakool with fridge and freezer compartments. The freezer sits at -13 constantly and on trips we are able to make ice for our afternoon cocktails.
Ultimately your choice but from experience the Trailblazer or an Wvakool are worth considering.
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Follow Up By: b1b - Wednesday, Dec 18, 2024 at 16:56

Wednesday, Dec 18, 2024 at 16:56
Ice for your afternoon cocktails ?... I don't think I need to comment !
Nice
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Follow Up By: Member - David M (SA) - Wednesday, Dec 18, 2024 at 17:45

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You mean to say you drink your cocktails Sans ice Bruce !
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Reply By: Daniel G3 - Wednesday, Dec 18, 2024 at 17:44

Wednesday, Dec 18, 2024 at 17:44
I have had an Evakool ED70 fridge for 23 years which is still going strong. It does use 3.5 amps (cycling) to maintain zero degrees.
My son in law has a newer 110 litre Evakool which only uses 2.5 amps to maintain zero degrees.
Engel has a very good reputation but is also priced at the top end.

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Follow Up By: Batt's - Thursday, Dec 19, 2024 at 17:26

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Hi Daniel not sure what the Evakool ED70 looks like but I have a 20yr old RF47 it use to use around 3.4 amps but over time it has been reduced to around 2.5 amps. Not sure if yours has a similar wiring set up or not but mine has the dial thermostat control that has a built in on/off switch when turned right down. It also had a separate on/off switch from the factory which played up yrs ago and was disconnected also a fair amount of the wires were crimped which were changed to solder joins and I run a Noctua fan which is super quite and better on power. A few mods can see a decent change in power consumption just thought I let you know.
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Reply By: Wol2 - Monday, Dec 23, 2024 at 22:08

Monday, Dec 23, 2024 at 22:08
G’day All, long time lurker but finally needed to ask something sensible :)

I am interested in the same question as the OP. In my case it will go on the fridge slide in the Cub.

Product reviews of National Luna are not inspiring.Engel seem to get mixed reviews, and hammered for the cost of repairs to newer fridges. Evakool get hammered. Bushman seem to come out best, but essentially they only make one somewhat adaptable camping fridge.

Trailblaza seem great but are bulky (for good reason) and heavy. Although they might customise one exactly for the space and are expensive.

I will put the links into another post due noob posting limitations.


I appreciate that with the above reviews you get limited insight to the real proportions of happy and un happy customers as obviously not everyone writes in.

There is some sense in getting the best insulated and therefore with least current draw but it comes at the price of storage volume. You are guessing to some extent with ability to recharge batteries (need to have a plan B) but you should at least know how long you will be away from mains power I hope.

Anyway it seems to me that the aftersales service and repairability costs with modern PCB electronic fridges is at least as important and perhaps more so than the upfront cost. Your recent experiences in this regard are most helpful.

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Reply By: Wol2 - Monday, Dec 23, 2024 at 22:31

Monday, Dec 23, 2024 at 22:31
G’day All, long time lurker but finally needed to ask something sensible :)

I am interested in the same question as the OP. In my case it will go on the fridge slide in the Cub.

Product reviews of National Luna are not inspiring.

https://www.productreview.com.au/listings/national-luna-fridge-and-freezer

Engel seem to get mixed reviews, and hammered for the cost of repairs to newer fridges:

https://www.productreview.com.au/b/engel

Evakool get hammered:

https://www.productreview.com.au/b/evakool

Bushman seem to come out best:

https://www.productreview.com.au/listings/bushman-original-fridge

But essentially they only make one somewhat adaptable camping fridge.

Trailblaza seem great but are bulky (for good reason) and heavy. Although they might customise one exactly for the space and are expensive.

I appreciate that with the above reviews you get limited insight to the real proportions of happy and un happy customers as obviously not everyone writes in.

There is some sense in getting the best insulated and therefore with least current draw but it comes at the price of storage volume. You are guessing to some extent with ability to recharge batteries (need to have a plan B) but you should at least know how long you will be away from mains power I hope.

Anyway it seems to me that the aftersales service and repairability costs with modern PCB electronic fridges is at least as important and perhaps more so than the upfront cost. Your recent experiences in this regard are most helpful.

Regards

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Follow Up By: Batt's - Tuesday, Dec 24, 2024 at 12:30

Tuesday, Dec 24, 2024 at 12:30
See if Kings have something that suits that will get you started as I mentioned above mine is over 3 yrs old and works well. They have retail outlets everywhere which is handy and over the years some of their products have improved in quality unlike some of the bigger long term fridge companies that still constantly have issues.
Unfortunately these days where products should be getting better with the advancements of electronics the opposite is happening so regardless of how much your willing to spend on a fridge there's no guarantee it will last.
We live in a throw away society and it's getting worse because money and profits come before reducing landfill enjoy the ride.
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Reply By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Tuesday, Dec 24, 2024 at 13:04

Tuesday, Dec 24, 2024 at 13:04
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In evaluating fridges we all have differing criteria thus asking for recommendations is somewhat futile. Each fridge has its own factors of price, convenience, reliability, running economy etc. etc.
So all you can do is to view the market and apply your priorities to the available range, then bite the bullet and make your choice. Most seem to provide fair value for their price so set your main factors and buy to your budget. Of course, the bloke camped next to you will tell you that his model is the only one worth having. Just smile and tell him how wise he is.
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Reply By: Member - Mark B68 - Wednesday, Dec 25, 2024 at 08:57

Wednesday, Dec 25, 2024 at 08:57
Hi,

We are very happy with our Busshman 130lt.

Small freezer but.....
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Reply By: Peter_n_Margaret - Wednesday, Dec 25, 2024 at 09:33

Wednesday, Dec 25, 2024 at 09:33
My new build motorhome will get a 200L+ 240V fridge/freezer that will run on a small inverter.
Inverter motor, very energy efficient. New under $400. I bought a second hand one for $180.
You can now buy a 120L version for $350 new (plus $50-$100 for an inverter).
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Wednesday, Dec 25, 2024 at 09:47

Wednesday, Dec 25, 2024 at 09:47
Peter, It surprises me that a 240v fridge running via an inverter could be more efficient than one running directly from a DC source.
Would you care to provide links so that I can peruse this technology?
200L for $400 sounds surprising too. Please share.
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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Wednesday, Dec 25, 2024 at 10:31

Wednesday, Dec 25, 2024 at 10:31
For example ChiQ
Rated energy consumption is 218Kwh which translates to about 50Ah/day @ 13V (including the inverter losses) for 200L+ of modern frost free fridge/freezer. Just another option, for some.
I bought a second hand Samsung 200L+ SR227MW which is no longer sold in Oz.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Wednesday, Dec 25, 2024 at 11:03

Wednesday, Dec 25, 2024 at 11:03
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And you are going to take that where??
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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Wednesday, Dec 25, 2024 at 11:05

Wednesday, Dec 25, 2024 at 11:05
I am not breaking any new ground here.
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Follow Up By: Batt's - Wednesday, Dec 25, 2024 at 13:26

Wednesday, Dec 25, 2024 at 13:26
So unless I read it wrong your using what would be a 240v house fridge in a moving vehicle. How will it continue to operate correctly when they are designed to sit level and it only takes a small amount of an incorrect angle to effect it operating correctly unless it has been specifically designed to operate at angles.
So is the Chiq brand able to run at different angles ? When we get another caravan I was going to get rid of the 3 way for something better I was thinking about a 12v upright but if there is a better option that would be handy.
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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Wednesday, Dec 25, 2024 at 14:12

Wednesday, Dec 25, 2024 at 14:12
Tell me about this "specific" design requirement in order to operate at angles that is different from any other compressor fridge (or aircon compressor) including 12V ones.
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Follow Up By: Kazza055 - Wednesday, Dec 25, 2024 at 19:41

Wednesday, Dec 25, 2024 at 19:41
People have been doing it for years and not having any problems.
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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Wednesday, Dec 25, 2024 at 21:10

Wednesday, Dec 25, 2024 at 21:10
As I said, I am not breaking any new ground here. It is simply another option depending on what you need.
Just watch the unit efficiency closely. Traditionally, small "house" fridges such as bar fridges have been very poor. The 100L ChiQ is the smallest one I have ever seen that has half decent efficiency. There are several around 200L+ that are worth consideration.
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Follow Up By: Batt's - Wednesday, Dec 25, 2024 at 21:49

Wednesday, Dec 25, 2024 at 21:49
Wasn't aware that they could be used while travelling just through throughout the yrs most had 3 way fridges or 12v/240v camping fridges. Would have been easier to say like Kazza did that people have been using them like that for yrs first I've heard of it so probably not that common.
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Follow Up By: Member - McLaren3030 - Thursday, Dec 26, 2024 at 06:53

Thursday, Dec 26, 2024 at 06:53
Hi Batts,

Compressor fridges, unlike absorption fridges, do not have to be level to operate efficiently. The refrigerant is a gas that is compressed and moved around the system by the compressor, and not a liquid that has been vaporised and then condensed again and flows by gravity.

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Follow Up By: Kazza055 - Thursday, Dec 26, 2024 at 11:19

Thursday, Dec 26, 2024 at 11:19
Batt's, with lithium batteries and solar being very common these days, it is also possible to use 240V air conditions when off grid.

Maybe you should check out some caravan forums to catch up with it ;=))
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Follow Up By: Batt's - Thursday, Dec 26, 2024 at 12:21

Thursday, Dec 26, 2024 at 12:21
I was looking at getting a battery for running an A/C, fridge etc when we get our next van but you would realistically need a decent sized house battery and the solar will replace some of the power. Also who wants to park in the sun full time if there is some shade around or you'll be running the A/C 24/7. You still need a generator if camping for a few days or more that would all be subject to the ambiant temp and other items your running because people always want more.
Back around 18yrs ago when I worked at TJM we set up agm batteries in a falcon ute that was being used as a pilot vehicle that was getting an A/C fitted in the canopy also a microwave and fridge.
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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Thursday, Dec 26, 2024 at 13:08

Thursday, Dec 26, 2024 at 13:08
Batt's, choices are changing.
Our new build OKA motorhome will have 2,130W of solar and 4-600Ah of Li batteries and no gas.
Cooking will be induction and I will design for a small domestic split A/C although I may not install it in the first instance (it will replace one of the 2 spare wheels).
We have not had a generator or been able to plug into shore power for 20 years of off grid travel. That won't change. Not having a shore power connection capability avoids conforming to the latest AS3001, although I probably will.
Parking in the sun is not an issue with the benefit of polyurethane foam insulation in fibreglass sandwich panel construction.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Thursday, Dec 26, 2024 at 15:36

Thursday, Dec 26, 2024 at 15:36
Peter, why avoid conforming to AS3001? One day you will wish to sell the MH and having AS3001 certification could be of benefit, and may even be essential. There is little or no cost in doing it now.
I installed a shore power connection with a dual GPO in the kitchen and an ac charger. When garaged I plug into 230v mains and that overcomes the Sprinter’s hungry parasitic drain and keeps the house battery topped up. But I have no 230v appliances.
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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Thursday, Dec 26, 2024 at 17:04

Thursday, Dec 26, 2024 at 17:04
Allan, as I said, I will probably comply with the build, whether I get it approved, or not, is a decision for later. That is where most of the extra cost is (in addition to the cost of the standards and double pole switching and some strange requirements, like Li battery ventilation "according to the manufacturer's requirements" - good luck with that).
I don't own a mains charger. Solar and alternator are always ample.
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Reply By: qldcamper - Thursday, Dec 26, 2024 at 08:20

Thursday, Dec 26, 2024 at 08:20
What is the capacity of the Luna compressor?
After having spoken with a fridgie that specialises in car fridges there are no longer any imported fridges any more with a 3 or larger cc compressor, all have a 2cc at best, one of Dometics changes to the Waeco range so they struggle at 35 degree plus temps. They don't care about our market just North America.
His statement, no new fridge that he has seen has a larger compressor than 2cc.
He never mentioned Engel.
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Follow Up By: Batt's - Thursday, Dec 26, 2024 at 12:34

Thursday, Dec 26, 2024 at 12:34
So a metal fridge would absorb more external heat than a fibreglass or plastic which would make a difference.
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Follow Up By: qldcamper - Thursday, Dec 26, 2024 at 12:40

Thursday, Dec 26, 2024 at 12:40
Batts, what I was getting at is he never mentioned the capacity of Engels compressor.
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Follow Up By: Batt's - Friday, Dec 27, 2024 at 03:00

Friday, Dec 27, 2024 at 03:00
I just threw that in as most people never think about how hot a metal fridge gets.
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