Ghost camping

Submitted: Wednesday, Oct 16, 2024 at 00:53
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Finally something is being done about "ghost camping"
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Reply By: Member - McLaren3030 - Wednesday, Oct 16, 2024 at 06:55

Wednesday, Oct 16, 2024 at 06:55
Hi gramps,

Whilst this is a start, it is only part of the problem with on line booking. The other issue is when people take your booked campsite and refuse to move. If there are no other suitable sites in the campground you are “screwed”. Without on site rangers, there is very little that can be done. Yes you can take pictures of the registration number and send it to the authorities, but that does not get you your campsite back, and there is currently no guarantee the other party will get a fine.

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Follow Up By: Peter J4 - Wednesday, Oct 16, 2024 at 07:31

Wednesday, Oct 16, 2024 at 07:31
As McLaren on the rare occasion we have stayed in a NP and had to book ahead we arrived to find a large group camped in our booked spot, refused to move so we stayed in the day use area after ringing NP to complain. Told no one available to visit until the monday, it was friday.
Next morning awoken by ranger telling us we coouldn't camp where we were and would be fined, explained the situation and he said there is nothing I can do about it in the ground as we're told "not to cause conflict".
We've also found especially in remote areas that NP staff are dead against the booking system and are unable to do anything as they have no access to it to check.
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Follow Up By: Richard M29 - Wednesday, Oct 16, 2024 at 07:33

Wednesday, Oct 16, 2024 at 07:33
We haven't use nat. parks since the online booking started and never will again. 99% of my friends are the same With fees averaging $36 for night most parks, there are farm stays in the area instead, they are much cheaper, and you can have your dog stay with you.
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Follow Up By: Gramps - Wednesday, Oct 16, 2024 at 09:10

Wednesday, Oct 16, 2024 at 09:10
Hi Macca, Peter, Richard,

It all sounds too familiar. National Parks administration would be flat out running a chook raffle.

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Follow Up By: Gronk - Wednesday, Oct 16, 2024 at 20:38

Wednesday, Oct 16, 2024 at 20:38
RichardM29, most Nat parks are $24 a night, a lot are just the booking fee $6.
Most farm stays are hip camp, and a lot more than $24 a night.
The booking system, mostly, is a good thing…..you can usually arrive to find a campground not packed out with free loaders.
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Follow Up By: Richard M29 - Thursday, Oct 17, 2024 at 10:05

Thursday, Oct 17, 2024 at 10:05
Every farm stay I have stayed at and that is many, has not been a hip camp, I pay at the most $20 per night with them.
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Reply By: Member - Jim S1 - Wednesday, Oct 16, 2024 at 08:47

Wednesday, Oct 16, 2024 at 08:47
The booking system was never going to work in most cases, and the “authorities “ are now finding that out and trying to use even more policing and rules.
The old system of first come best dressed and mostly paying by the honesty system worked pretty well, but the city office folk had a “better” idea, didn’t they. The park rangers were supposed to get more time for park work, but now they are monitoring campers anyway.
What a mess, and quite unnecessary.
The rule makers won’t back down, just make even more rules.

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Follow Up By: Gramps - Wednesday, Oct 16, 2024 at 09:04

Wednesday, Oct 16, 2024 at 09:04
Hi Jim,

I agree with you. It'd be interesting to see a comparison of receipts before and after the booking system implementation. There's obviously a lot of smarties around to take advantage of the situation.

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Follow Up By: Batt's - Wednesday, Oct 16, 2024 at 09:54

Wednesday, Oct 16, 2024 at 09:54
They can make up all the rules they want but they will rarely use them against the people who are arrogant, self centred and just ignore them. They are more inclined to use them against the victims that put in a complaint the innocent who made a legit booking and who follow the rules who are probably seen by the pen pushers to be easier targets to deal with based party on the fact they are more likely to back down and walk away.
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Reply By: Mikee5 - Wednesday, Oct 16, 2024 at 08:58

Wednesday, Oct 16, 2024 at 08:58
I had written (email) correspondence about ghost camping in QLD two years ago. The reply (email) was to wait in the day use area until my booked site became available. I replied ‘I am taking that your response is permission to camp in the day use area’. Then silence, no response. I have the emails printed in my glovebox.
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Follow Up By: Gramps - Wednesday, Oct 16, 2024 at 09:06

Wednesday, Oct 16, 2024 at 09:06
Hi Mikee5,

Hahaha nothing like having to set up and take down camp multiple times.

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Reply By: Gramps - Wednesday, Oct 16, 2024 at 09:17

Wednesday, Oct 16, 2024 at 09:17
On reflection, I think they're following the politician's mantra from "Yes, Minister" - 'Appear to be doing something but do nothing'.
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Reply By: tonysmc - Wednesday, Oct 16, 2024 at 19:20

Wednesday, Oct 16, 2024 at 19:20
I’m not far from a national park and a number of times, I have tried to book a camp spot online, only to find “none available” nevertheless, I have gone to the spot for a day trip and found most of the camp’s empty. Talking to people about it and it was claimed that “people don’t make it” or “they got stuck or decided to stay elsewhere” but there were always too many vacant spots, too often, when up until online bookings the spots were mostly always full. I have a theory that the parks themselves flag the spots as taken, so they don’t have to cater for as many campers. Less maintenance, resources, cleaning of facilities, staff, etc. Interestingly, they have started charging entry fees which they didn’t have before online bookings. Motels have been known to do the same thing of saying they are booked out when in reality they have vacant rooms because they are running with minimal staff and cannot cater to too many guests. I have also noticed “seasonal areas” being closed off a lot longer than previous years.
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Follow Up By: Richard M29 - Wednesday, Oct 16, 2024 at 20:24

Wednesday, Oct 16, 2024 at 20:24
Well for NSW I recently found out from a ranger, that they have only 27 rangers now in the state, and 8 of those are parttime.
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Thursday, Oct 17, 2024 at 08:20

Thursday, Oct 17, 2024 at 08:20
Richard M29 posted a similar uninformed reply on another forum (as Cyclemonkey or Ric) and got this answer:
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Reply By: Daniel G3 - Thursday, Oct 17, 2024 at 07:32

Thursday, Oct 17, 2024 at 07:32
The other factor which compounds this issue is the 02.00PM arrival time. Plenty of people stay later than the 10.00AM departure time especially on a Sunday as this gives them most of the day to enjoy before heading home. We have had many incidents were people are still on the site we booked at .01.00PM
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Reply By: Member - McLaren3030 - Thursday, Oct 17, 2024 at 07:46

Thursday, Oct 17, 2024 at 07:46
George L5 is another scammer/spammer with imbedded links to sites that have nothing to do with “Exploring” this great country of ours. We need the moderator button back on this site as an easy way to highlight these scammers/spammers. I suspect Daniel G to be one as well.Check out the links that have been underlined.

These are becoming more prevalent.

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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Thursday, Oct 17, 2024 at 09:35

Thursday, Oct 17, 2024 at 09:35
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Follow Up By: ExplorOz - David & Michelle - Thursday, Oct 17, 2024 at 12:44

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Reply By: Member - Cuppa - Thursday, Oct 17, 2024 at 09:30

Thursday, Oct 17, 2024 at 09:30
A friend has just spent the past month around 'Corner country' & found that a number of NP sites have gone back to the old 'envelope system'. One can only hope it is something which will gain favour further afield!
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Follow Up By: Member - McLaren3030 - Friday, Oct 18, 2024 at 07:08

Friday, Oct 18, 2024 at 07:08
Hi Cuppa,

I would be curious to know which ones have gone back to the “envelope honesty box”. It is very rare that a Government authority takes a step backwards after introducing something they felt was a cost saving improvement.

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Follow Up By: Member - Cuppa - Friday, Oct 18, 2024 at 08:36

Friday, Oct 18, 2024 at 08:36
Hi Macca,, my friend mentioned several, but in the context of a wider sprawling & long phone conversation about his 4 weeks of travels around corner country in his OKA & I'm afraid I don't recall the specifics about which locations he came across the use of envelopes I'm afraid, only that he did. What registered more was his surprise at finding them in use. Wracking my brain I think they *may* have included the Sturt National Park & I recall Dead Horse Gully being mentioned, but I'm far from certain about specific envelope locations. I think the sum of $20 per night was mentioned too in regard to envelopes. Whether this was a Government thing of something at a more local level I have no idea.

FWIW this friend in his mid 70's has all his marbles & is not prone to 'making things up', so the fact that he & his wife) told me he had come across the use of envelopes/honesty box (es) I am confident that he did.
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Follow Up By: Member - McLaren3030 - Friday, Oct 18, 2024 at 08:50

Friday, Oct 18, 2024 at 08:50
Hi Cuppa,

I believe The Dig Tree near Innaminka is still envelopes, however, the local land lease holder keeps an eye on this and checks when campers and day visitors come in and out. As the access road into The Dig Tree crosses his land, there is an alarm system that registers back at the homestead. He then comes out to check who has paid and who hasn’t.

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