How to upgrade ten inch wheels on a very old Cub camper?

Submitted: Tuesday, Jul 02, 2024 at 10:01
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Hi,
I have a very old (1970!) cub camper which has hubs (with Holden bearings) and 4 stud 10 inch rims on it. The wheels are same size as the old Mini's. I want to change to a larger wheel e.g. 12 inch. Any suggestions on how to do this? Do I just change the hubs and fit a 12 inch wheel? I tried a 14 inch wheel off a HQ Holden with a 5 stud hub but the wheel was far too big.
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Reply By: tonysmc - Tuesday, Jul 02, 2024 at 10:46

Tuesday, Jul 02, 2024 at 10:46
Hi Geoff, while it may be as simple as just changing the hub, you need to be a little bit careful with the offset of the new wheels. I decided to change mine over to 14” standard Hilux rims with the mindset that they are a very common rim and easy to find (They’re Ford stud pattern). The problem was, with that rim, the tyre rubbed on the chassis, so it was either a different rim or a different axle.
Have you considered 13” if they fit as they may be more available than 12” tyre?
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Follow Up By: Geoff R15 - Tuesday, Jul 02, 2024 at 13:28

Tuesday, Jul 02, 2024 at 13:28
Thanks for your reply. Yes the 14 inch tyre was way too big. Had thought of 13 inch - as you say they are more readily available. Only thing is I'm not sure if a 13 inch would fit Ok (after changing to a 5 stud hub)?
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Reply By: Andrew L - Tuesday, Jul 02, 2024 at 13:20

Tuesday, Jul 02, 2024 at 13:20
remove axle, renew with a ford bearing axle, slightly longer to accomodate the new rim offset, place under springs, fit your new rims and tyres
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Reply By: RMD - Tuesday, Jul 02, 2024 at 13:53

Tuesday, Jul 02, 2024 at 13:53
Geoff
As Andrew L has mentioned, the axle under the springs will give more vehicle height and apart from the offset of rims etc. The tyre will be larger in the sidewall, so with appropriate inflation, not too much and not too little, the cub should ride a lot smoother. ie using the tyre as the primary suspension, which they are anyway. Guard clearance may be an issue, and a BIG DISC of cardboard taped to the current tyre, but the dia of the intended tyre will allow you to gauge where things will sit/be positioned.
Make sure you allow for the curved spring pack when deflected, to straighten, which moves the wheel rearward as it goes UP, ie, makes the rim tyre combination move rearward and so MIGHT negate any clearance you think you initially have.

Did similar with my trailer form 13"s to 14" rim and the tyre DID get very close to the guard as it moved back and up.
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Reply By: Member - Bigfish - Tuesday, Jul 02, 2024 at 14:08

Tuesday, Jul 02, 2024 at 14:08
Take it to a trailer specialist near your area. He will advise on what to do after taking measurements. This way if anything goes amiss its on him to sort it out.. Getting wheel widths, offsets, diameters , bearing types, guard sizes etc.etc needs plenty of sorting out.
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Reply By: Frederic w - Tuesday, Jul 02, 2024 at 18:37

Tuesday, Jul 02, 2024 at 18:37
What are the key considerations when upgrading the wheel and tire size on a vehicle, particularly in regards to suspension among us and clearance?
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Follow Up By: RMD - Tuesday, Jul 02, 2024 at 19:14

Tuesday, Jul 02, 2024 at 19:14
One item not mentioned is: if larger wheel/tyre size is fitted, the upward travel ability from the new ride height, ie, axle to frame has to be considered. If No bump rubber is fitted the axle can be forced upward a long way and tyre guard contact will happen if not checked for travel clearance and/or the axle and /or springs can crash into the frame. Such events will break things. There is lots to consider as BF said.
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Reply By: Member - Keith P (NSW) - Tuesday, Jul 02, 2024 at 21:03

Tuesday, Jul 02, 2024 at 21:03
Morris 1100 wheels....12 inch rims...same stud pattern as Mini from memory. 1100S had slightly wider rims ( Fatter tyres ). Cant remember actual tyre sizes....but could get radials to fit....may be a bit hard these days...but ya never know.

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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Tuesday, Jul 02, 2024 at 21:26

Tuesday, Jul 02, 2024 at 21:26
Also look around for wheels from the later model Mini Mokes (the later models had larger wheels which I believe were narrower than the 1100s.)

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Reply By: Peter J4 - Wednesday, Jul 03, 2024 at 07:20

Wednesday, Jul 03, 2024 at 07:20
We did exactly that back in the early 80's, jacked the chassis off the springs with 100 x 50 RHS steel blocks, Put springs on top of the axle, replaced light pipe axle with 40mm square solid axle then fitted normal Holden hubs with 13" wheels and found that 13" tyres were hard to find outback so then went to 14" rims and fitted LT radials as fitted to vans and utes.
Never had any more tyre problems and the added height made it much easier to put the camper up as we carried wooden blocks in various sizes for the legs and the roofrack to allow for uneven ground. We could open it uphill and not need many blocks at all.
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Reply By: Member - McLaren3030 - Wednesday, Jul 03, 2024 at 07:40

Wednesday, Jul 03, 2024 at 07:40
Hi Geoff,

Have you considered what effect the larger wheel and tyres will have on the “hard floor” fold down end of your camper? Once folded down, it will be higher off the ground, do you have enough length in the adjustable “feet” to accommodate being further off the ground?

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Follow Up By: Batt's - Wednesday, Jul 03, 2024 at 08:11

Wednesday, Jul 03, 2024 at 08:11
That's one of the first things I would have looked at aswell plus making sure the camper rides level with the tow vehicle.
You could figure out what size wheels and tyres you want to fit then put some timber for example under the current wheels to get the new height then open the camper to see if you need to add something to the floor frame to raise it and check the new tow ball height.
If you decide to put the axle under the springs as others have mentioned you need to add the thickness of the axle plus the spring pack to get the new height. Combined with larger tyres you would most probably end up with an overall camper lift of 100mm plus.
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Reply By: SCUBADOO - Thursday, Jul 04, 2024 at 09:34

Thursday, Jul 04, 2024 at 09:34
Going back about 30 years or so!

I owned a 14ft. runabout on an aluminium trailer fitted with 10" Mini wheels.
We travelled long distances to enjoy our pastime several times a year.
Every season a wheel bearing or three required replacement despite the Bearing Buddy kit usually on the side of the road somewhere during our travels.

I eventually replaced with 12" Hillman Imp wheels with the same stud pattern that fortunately fitted within the fibreglass mudguards.

I never had to replace another bearing for the next 10 years or so of ownership.

The RPM difference made it worthwhile.
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Reply By: OzzieCruiser - Thursday, Jul 04, 2024 at 10:54

Thursday, Jul 04, 2024 at 10:54
The OP has not said he currently has Mini wheels only that they are the same size as Minis. Assuming they are Mini wheels, why not go for Moke wheels. Started off at 10" but are also in 12" and 13" - all available relatively cheaply from Moke parts suppliers.

If not Mini wheels - try Fiat, Lancia, Alfa wheels with a hub change.
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Thursday, Jul 04, 2024 at 12:59

Thursday, Jul 04, 2024 at 12:59
The later Australian Mokes had 13" wheels as standard. Mini Moke Information


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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Thursday, Jul 04, 2024 at 15:15

Thursday, Jul 04, 2024 at 15:15
As a recent 13" wheel Moke owner you will find that tyre choice is both limited and expensive.
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