Replace Troopy Waterpump
Submitted: Thursday, Apr 11, 2024 at 15:07
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OzzieCruiser
In the process of replacing a water pump on a 91 Troopy with the diesel 6 cylinder (1HZ?).
There is access to all the bolts except for the top right bolt that is behind the cam belts cogs and adjuster. I cannot see a hole through that housing to get to the water pump bolt - would be logical but it is a Toyota.
So do you need to remove the timing gear to remove to remove this 12mm bolt or is a special tool needed to get under the timing gear housing to get at it.
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Reply By: tonysmc - Thursday, Apr 11, 2024 at 21:37
Thursday, Apr 11, 2024 at 21:37
According to the workshop manual, "Remove the timing belt, idler pulley and cam shaft sprocket" goes on to say "Remover the retaining bolts and remove the cam shaft oil seal retainer plate from the front of the engine"
The people that design engines certainly never have any intention of working on them!
I hope this helps. Tony
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Follow Up By: OzzieCruiser - Thursday, Apr 11, 2024 at 22:06
Thursday, Apr 11, 2024 at 22:06
Yes - I agree and after researching a bit more, you also have to remove the intake cross over pipe and the rocker cover - this is so the cam shaft does not move - it needs to be held with - of all things a shifter spanner to stop the cam shaft moving while the sprocket is removed.
Yes - you helped as you confirmed what we were finding in the replacement process.
The simple solution when the parts were being designed would be to put two holes in the timing plate with rubber bungs in them, so that the two hidden water pump bolts could be removed without removing any of the cam timing gear.
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Reply By: RMD - Friday, Apr 12, 2024 at 07:56
Friday, Apr 12, 2024 at 07:56
Ozzie
It is fairly normal to have to remove a timing sprocket. Everyday situation for a mechanic! The cam may move slightly because of vale spring/cam lobe pressure equalizing, but it isn't going to be going around much at all, it is a six cylinder so minimal movement. The cam wheel/sprocket is pinned to the cam so can be easily attached afterwards and cam and wheel returned to original position, along with the engaging in the same teeth of the belt. You will mark them with a white marker pen if unsure, I presume. Take off the pump and the reassemble.
If you ensure TDC before beginning, the crank isn't going to move and the cam and wheel position will be marked and able to be aligned with it's timing indicator too. Belt simply drives it around and has no actual timing of itself. Adjust tensioner.
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Follow Up By: OzzieCruiser - Friday, Apr 12, 2024 at 12:26
Friday, Apr 12, 2024 at 12:26
Thanks for that information. The fact you have to disassemble much of the front of the engine to get at two bolts is ridiculous - as I indicated if at manufacturer two holes were in the casting to access them then that would have been the smart design.
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Follow Up By: Member - David M (SA) - Friday, Apr 12, 2024 at 15:20
Friday, Apr 12, 2024 at 15:20
If Toyota started doing sensible things like that OC their service department would soon close down.
Dave.
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Follow Up By: RMD - Friday, Apr 12, 2024 at 19:42
Friday, Apr 12, 2024 at 19:42
Ozzie
A '91. Cruiser is now 33 years old and so if it is the first water pump, having to remove the timing wheel is pretty good. If simply removed as I mentioned, it would take little more time and that is then all done.
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Follow Up By: Andrew L - Thursday, Apr 25, 2024 at 10:03
Thursday, Apr 25, 2024 at 10:03
The smart thing would be to not think your more knowledgeable than the engineers at Toyota, the cam belt space does not need dust and mud or water from said hole wrecking the belt.....to make a water pump job easier....did one in Tibbuburra caravan park with basic tools (and a marker)
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Follow Up By: Andrew L - Thursday, Apr 25, 2024 at 10:51
Thursday, Apr 25, 2024 at 10:51
Put cardboard over the radiator before prying the pulley from the cam….
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Reply By: Mikee5 - Saturday, Apr 13, 2024 at 10:10
Saturday, Apr 13, 2024 at 10:10
You should renew both the timing belt and belt tensioner while you are replacing the water pump.
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Reply By: Member - LeighW - Thursday, Apr 18, 2024 at 20:16
Thursday, Apr 18, 2024 at 20:16
When I did my Prados timing belt I did the lot, replaced water pump, timing belt, tensioner also replaced the belt driving the alernator, aircon power steering pump etc and tensioner and idler bearings.
Figured cheaper to replace the lot in one hit rather than have to do it again if the water pump failed down the track.
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