Navigation for a 2WD vehicle.

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Hi, I’m considering getting Exploroz. Is there a way to set the navigationfor a 2WD vehicle, so that I don’t get directed to off-road 4WD tracks? I have a 2WD Toyota Hiace.
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Reply By: IvanTheTerrible - Thursday, Aug 10, 2023 at 21:31

Thursday, Aug 10, 2023 at 21:31
Tracks are that changeable that what is a two wheel drive track one day is a goat track the next. Local info is the best thing
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Follow Up By: IvanTheTerrible - Thursday, Aug 10, 2023 at 21:32

Thursday, Aug 10, 2023 at 21:32
We are going to be running a WB ute by the way
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Reply By: Member - silkwood - Friday, Aug 11, 2023 at 10:24

Friday, Aug 11, 2023 at 10:24
Hi Lainie, good to see you wanting to get out and explore, regardless of vehicle (many of us started seeing the "outback" in 2wd's, often going to places now considered essential 4wd country).

The problem with wanting to go on "only 2wd" tracks is that the definition (and actual conditions) of such tracks is tenuous. Most general tracks travelled by 4wds can also be traversed with 2wd. The advantage of 4wd comes in when conditions are such that traction is compromised (most often when a perfectly reasonable 2wd track gets slippery due to rain). The four wheel drive then has an advantage, though this may be a matter of degrees. A track which becomes too slippery for 2wd can easily move to being too slippery for 4wd (many 4wds without lockers end up as 2wds, effectively making them 0wds in these conditions!).

The biggest advantage for so-called 4wds is clearance and durability (two quite variable characteristics).

I imagine you are not looking to tackle hard tracks in the Vic High Country, the OTT on the Cape or soft sand tracks in the deserts? If not you will find most (not all) tracks are doable in a 2wd, so long as they are driven according to the conditions required, slowly and with lowered tyre pressures. Assessing the condition of the tracks prior to travelling (they can vary enormously over time) is of more importance. Communicating on forums such as this and making use of local sources (including government road condition sites) is the key. Along with sensible decision making and preparation... These come with study and experience, which is why initial trips need to be on less risky routes.

I'm not sure how the app could successfully differentiate 2wd vs 4wd tracks, other than providing a grading, which would be far too variable to be effective. I've certainly never come across such a facility, perhaps there is a way (admin can help here). The Oodnadatta Track, for instance, has been travelled by thousands of 2wd-ers quite readily, but can quickly become difficult and then unadvised for well set up 4wds if the conditions change (it's not just the ability to traverse the track, but the damage you can do to it in certain conditions, plus the risk of stranding, requiring others to assist). I should add that there are a few sites which do have grading for many tracks, 4x4 Earth being one.

The members here are a very good source of current and general information should you require it. The mapping app should provide your required needs with these additional supports.

Cheers,

Mark
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Follow Up By: Lainie C - Saturday, Aug 12, 2023 at 01:28

Saturday, Aug 12, 2023 at 01:28
Thank you for this thorough reply. I'm really grateful for your considered and detailed response.
And I agree about keeping it simple to start with, especially being new to to this style of adventure.

I also got a satellite communicator. A Garmin GPSMAPS 66i. Was going to get the In Reach Mini2 or zoleo, and the guy in the shop suggested the 66i ... but now I wonder if this would be doubling up with navigation software? I wanted to get it mainly for communication, and decided I liked the tracking & mapping features, though it seems this app would give me those things on my phone. Am a bit confused, and also grateful for such great technology.
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Reply By: Peter_n_Margaret - Friday, Aug 11, 2023 at 10:59

Friday, Aug 11, 2023 at 10:59
We had aWB for a couple of years. It bogged easier than any other vehicle we have ever owned. If we saw a soft patch coming up 200m away it would bog immediately in sympathy. Mind you, we took it to places where others would fear to tread too (as you would expect).

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Follow Up By: Richard M29 - Friday, Aug 11, 2023 at 11:30

Friday, Aug 11, 2023 at 11:30
I traveled the entire country in a 2wd raised suspension Sigma galant towing a 1 ton trailer. I was the 4 th vehicle up the Cape track after opening in 84' made it all the way without getting bogged or swamped. I also did the trip down the road between Paraburdoo, and Meekatharra, and also going on the Gun Barrel hwy, for 200km, going for a job. Also did the Tanami track all the way. I not once bogged that car on all the trips, but I suppose having an ECN T109 army License current at the time, helped us get thru. It can be done but needs forethought and careful consideration on the roads you want to do.
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Follow Up By: Member - nickb boab - Friday, Aug 11, 2023 at 17:01

Friday, Aug 11, 2023 at 17:01
I can remember when jol fleming ( Alice springs) used to run a WB ute about 30 od years ago to do his trip al over the place . Nothing would stop him .
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Reply By: Peter_n_Margaret - Friday, Aug 11, 2023 at 11:42

Friday, Aug 11, 2023 at 11:42
You go where you can with what you have.

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Peter
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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Friday, Aug 11, 2023 at 14:23

Friday, Aug 11, 2023 at 14:23
I forgot one.
I did a work trip to our office in Phoenix. After the work was done, Margaret and I borrowed the office "hack", a rag top Mustang GT with manual transmission, for 3 weeks.
We drove some of Route 66 and of course I got it bogged and staked a tyre in the desert.
Such is touring off the bitumen :)

For the OP.....
My philosophy is not to trust any one else's assessment of a road's suitability. If there is the remotest chance of it being OK, go and have a look. You can always turn around.
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Peter
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Follow Up By: Lainie C - Saturday, Aug 12, 2023 at 10:45

Saturday, Aug 12, 2023 at 10:45
Love these pictures. Classic!
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Follow Up By: b1b - Saturday, Aug 12, 2023 at 16:14

Saturday, Aug 12, 2023 at 16:14
re the rear view 1970 photo of a mini going down the track, i just can't remember seeing many 4WD minis. Or do my eyes deceive me ?
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Saturday, Aug 12, 2023 at 17:10

Saturday, Aug 12, 2023 at 17:10
Ha, that was no 4WD Mini, but it did have some mods on the front end that Peter might just regale us with again as obviously you missed it earlier. How about it Pete?
The Mini was of course a front wheel drive and it would be difficult in the extreme to modify it to drive the back wheels. Although I wouldn't put it past Peter to try!!!
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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Saturday, Aug 12, 2023 at 17:11

Saturday, Aug 12, 2023 at 17:11
We were on the way between Coward Springs and Billa Kalina to the west on the southern side of the Margaret River. We correctly anticipated some soft creek crossings so I fitted dual 12" wheels to the front, thinking it would help.
It was terrible. :)
The track petered out, but we did make it through.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Saturday, Aug 12, 2023 at 17:15

Saturday, Aug 12, 2023 at 17:15
That constitutes abuse of a minor. Well a mini anyway. lol
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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Saturday, Aug 12, 2023 at 17:44

Saturday, Aug 12, 2023 at 17:44
There were 4WD Minis built by fitting a second engine in the back and then trying to coordinate the drive speeds. But not by me......
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Saturday, Aug 12, 2023 at 17:48

Saturday, Aug 12, 2023 at 17:48
Yes, that's right Peter. I had forgotten that! There seems to be no limits to what some people will strive to *better* the motor car!
I had enough trouble balancing twin SU carbies, let alone two engines!!!
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Sunday, Aug 13, 2023 at 20:22

Sunday, Aug 13, 2023 at 20:22
"There were 4WD Minis built by fitting a second engine in the back"

I thought that was mainly done to the Mokes.

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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Monday, Aug 14, 2023 at 08:31

Monday, Aug 14, 2023 at 08:31
Here's an article about the MiniTwini
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Reply By: Member - wicket - Wednesday, Aug 16, 2023 at 08:44

Wednesday, Aug 16, 2023 at 08:44
Lainie
Might be worth having a read of this…….. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-08-16/google-maps-leaves-nurse-stranded-in-desert/102729818
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Follow Up By: Briste - Wednesday, Aug 16, 2023 at 09:27

Wednesday, Aug 16, 2023 at 09:27
This article is very timely. We've just stayed at Hale River Station at Old Ambalindum, so I've sent the link to my travelling companion who insists in using Google Maps to second guess ouback routes determined by EOT and / or Hema mapping applications.
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Follow Up By: Lainie C - Wednesday, Aug 16, 2023 at 09:40

Wednesday, Aug 16, 2023 at 09:40
Thank you so much. What a helpful article. Far out, so lucky that girl was rescued.

So, now I have ExplorOz maps, and a satellite 2-way communicator - Garmin GPSMAPS 66i, which has an SOS button as well.

I’m stocked with a good supply of water. Will just have to keep it topped up.

Thank you again for the helpful article.

Lainie ??????
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