Connecting an Inverter to all caravan outlets

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In the market for a new caravan and looking at the idea of permanently connecting a 2000W inverter to all power points. Would not have the air conditioner or fridge off the inverter but all other power outlets including the microwave.

Would mean that when we hook up to power in a caravan park, power goes to the battery via the battery charger, then from the battery to the inverter, then 240V from the inverter to the power outlets.

Just trying to minimize the number of power outlets so rather than having a 240V standard outlet with a 240V inverter connected outlet underneath, there would only be one outlet.

Would this arrangement shorten the life of the inverter or the batteries?
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Reply By: AlbyNSW - Monday, Sep 19, 2022 at 13:58

Monday, Sep 19, 2022 at 13:58
Not my area of expertise but rather than having the GPO’s running permanently off the inverter you could investigate the option of a a master diverter switch that will allow switching to be powered via either your inverter or your 240v lead at a caravan park
Boats have this setup
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Follow Up By: mepvic - Monday, Sep 19, 2022 at 14:08

Monday, Sep 19, 2022 at 14:08
Thanks Alby. That's a thought. Been checking out fridges and they don't take as much power as I thought so that could be hooked up too. Still need a separate supply to the A/C. Main problem would be if wife using the hairdryer when the microwave going and the fridge running. Caravan supply is 15A which gives me 3600W. Inverter only gives me 2000W
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Follow Up By: AlbyNSW - Monday, Sep 19, 2022 at 16:33

Monday, Sep 19, 2022 at 16:33
This is the type of installation and product I was thinking of

https://youtu.be/jpICwTtAV_I

https://www.victronenergy.com/transfer-switches/ve-transfer-switch
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Follow Up By: mepvic - Monday, Sep 19, 2022 at 17:10

Monday, Sep 19, 2022 at 17:10
Thanks Alby. Looks interesting. I will chat to the caravan maker and see what they will offer.
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Reply By: Peter_n_Margaret - Monday, Sep 19, 2022 at 15:47

Monday, Sep 19, 2022 at 15:47
A quite simple alternative is to run a new series of hard wired power points (differently colored from the originals) from the inverter. A quick job for a qualified sparky.
2 systems, quite independent from each other but usable together if external power is available.
Note that ANY multiple power point system powered from an inverter (or generator) should have RVD protection to offset the potential electrocution risk involved.
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Follow Up By: mepvic - Monday, Sep 19, 2022 at 16:18

Monday, Sep 19, 2022 at 16:18
Thanks Peter. That's what I was hoping to avoid. Trying to get away from separate outlets. Have just one set rather than two.
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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Monday, Sep 19, 2022 at 18:48

Monday, Sep 19, 2022 at 18:48
Then you MUST, by law, include a selector switch so it is not possible to connect both the inverter AND the mains supply at the same time.
You need to consult a licensed sparky who is familiar with AS3001.
You should also have the sparky check that your inverter is approved to connect to hard wired distribution. It may not be possible.
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Reply By: Doc - Monday, Sep 19, 2022 at 16:40

Monday, Sep 19, 2022 at 16:40
I built a motorhome recently, and after a lot of thought I ended up using a 3000W invertor (was going to get a 2000W, but the price difference was quite low) with an inbuilt battery charger & "UPS" type changeover. The mains power coming in (ie from a caravan park) goes through a main RCBO, then to the invertor input. The invertor output feeds 4 RCBO's in the switchboard - a/c, hws, and 2 GPO circuits.

When we are plugged into mains power, the invertor automatically bypasses input to output, and also charges the batteries. When mains power is disconnected, the invertor automatically powers up and supplies 240V from the batteries. Like a UPS, changeover is very fast.

I have ony managed to "trip" the invertor once - on a cold morning we had the a/c & hws running, and something in the microwave. We fired up the coffee machine & it was too much. Turned everything off and power cycled the invertor and everything worked again.

I am pretty happy with the setup and how it works, just need to think about how much is running at any time. I wanted the a/c & hws running through the invertor, so we could use them (for short periods) when off-grid. We have 2 x 170AH Lion batteries, and 750W of solar. I was initially worried that it would be a problem, but so far all good (except that one time).
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Follow Up By: mepvic - Monday, Sep 19, 2022 at 17:17

Monday, Sep 19, 2022 at 17:17
Thanks Doc. Much like what Alby has posted in the Utube link. Yet to discuss it with the caravan manufacturer so will see what they come up with. Don't want to go overboard and am thinking I'll just put up with dual outlets.
Chatting to the wife she assures me she wouldn't use a hairdryer while the microwave was on but a coffee perc or electric jug is another matter.
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Follow Up By: Member - peter_mcc - Monday, Sep 19, 2022 at 22:19

Monday, Sep 19, 2022 at 22:19
There are some inverters with an "auto changeover switch" built in. We got this one:

https://www.dometic.com/en-au/outdoor/mobile-power/inverters/dometic-sinepower-msi-1812t-136180

It goes in between the outside socket and the inside sockets - if mains power is present it gets passed through automatically.

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Reply By: OzzieCruiser - Monday, Sep 19, 2022 at 18:38

Monday, Sep 19, 2022 at 18:38
Not quite sure I follow - you say for when you are at a caravan - well why not just plug on the parks 240v system into the 240v socket of the van.

Where there is no external power - why not run an extension lead from the inverter to the 240v socket of the van and use the 240v system already built into van with the inverter being plugged into your 12v system that is recharged via solar, the vehicle, genny - whatever.
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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Monday, Sep 19, 2022 at 18:54

Monday, Sep 19, 2022 at 18:54
You need to consider how you plug the 10A outlet from the inverter into the 15A inlet to the van. and stay safe and legal.
You should also still consider the installation of an RVD to maintain safety from electrocution that will not be provided via an RCD.
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Follow Up By: mepvic - Monday, Sep 19, 2022 at 23:13

Monday, Sep 19, 2022 at 23:13
Getting a bit too tricky. Will talk to the van manufacturer’s sparky and get their advice.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Monday, Sep 19, 2022 at 23:16

Monday, Sep 19, 2022 at 23:16
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Exactly Mepvic. The only advice you should be taking is from a qualified person.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bigfish - Tuesday, Sep 20, 2022 at 15:14

Tuesday, Sep 20, 2022 at 15:14
Unfortunately Allen B that would mean 90+% of people posting on here would not be able to offer advice..
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Tuesday, Sep 20, 2022 at 17:10

Tuesday, Sep 20, 2022 at 17:10
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Nah Bigfish, I did not advocate to stop suggestions, I simply warned Mepvic about taking their advice without consulting a qualified person.
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Wednesday, Sep 21, 2022 at 12:23

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Quote "Unfortunately Allen B that would mean 90+% of people posting on here would not be able to offer advice.."

If people do not have enough experience of qualifications they should be giving 230 V electrical advice.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Wednesday, Sep 21, 2022 at 18:13

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I think you meant 'SHOULD NOT' Peter.
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Wednesday, Sep 21, 2022 at 21:25

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Yes you are correct Allan.
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Reply By: Bob Y. - Qld - Tuesday, Sep 20, 2022 at 05:44

Tuesday, Sep 20, 2022 at 05:44
Have a look at Enerdrive website.

They have a system that would do what you require, power from inverter when free camping & 240v power when in a van park, or at home. Australian made equipment, with good after sales service.

Quality doesn’t come cheap though! Enjoy the new van……….

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Follow Up By: Briste - Tuesday, Sep 20, 2022 at 08:48

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I have an all Enerdrive system in my van, and it works as Bob indicated. Very convenient. Don't need to think about turning things on and off, except of course you need to remember to turn the inverter on when not connected to 240V power.
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Follow Up By: Peter J4 - Tuesday, Sep 20, 2022 at 13:10

Tuesday, Sep 20, 2022 at 13:10
We have the same system in our Oka, an Xantrex 1800w inverter has auto switching to pass mains 240v power through when connected to the mains.
As Peter said you still need a normal RCD and preferably an RVD as well as when using inverters and generators there is usually no "ground/earth" as such and and RCD doesn't work.
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Reply By: Member - WA 1968 - Tuesday, Sep 20, 2022 at 13:33

Tuesday, Sep 20, 2022 at 13:33
Pretty sure Australian Offroad Hybrids have their inverters to all GPO's. Not 100% of the system they use. I think they may have a "switch" system that moves them from shore power to inverter when off grid.
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Reply By: Member - bungarra (WA) - Tuesday, Sep 20, 2022 at 19:43

Tuesday, Sep 20, 2022 at 19:43
having your 240 GPO "inverted" is a very common practice in new built caravans these days. They normally don't invert the stove or the hot water owing to the current draw.

To be honest the design is the responsibility of the caravan manufacturer and their 240 v sparky. If they need your advice that you have gained from forums then simply put they need to lift their game.

We have a new caravan nearing completion as write this and we specified that the GPO (with the exceptions) be inverted....it was simply a tick box of options offered.

its been around for a number of years and more popular now with Lithium batteries coming of age owing to their weight/ storage ratio
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Follow Up By: mepvic - Tuesday, Sep 20, 2022 at 20:37

Tuesday, Sep 20, 2022 at 20:37
Interesting to hear from all about this. Will be taking it up with the manufacturer and their sparky when the time comes to order.
Thanks to all.
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Reply By: Phil G - Tuesday, Sep 27, 2022 at 20:21

Tuesday, Sep 27, 2022 at 20:21
This is my way around the problem:
I have the inverter installed in my Troopy because it has the Lithium battery power to do it, it gets recharged every time I drive it and it is there whether I tow a caravan, a camper trailer or just tent it.

So with our caravan, I simply run the caravan power cord to the Troopy (via an Ampfibian) and can use all the outlets in the caravan - typically for the pod machine and hair dryer in the morning and occasiuonally to recharge our makita batteries and run a toaster.
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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Wednesday, Sep 28, 2022 at 06:24

Wednesday, Sep 28, 2022 at 06:24
Doing the same setup at the moment, Phil, in canopy on the 79.

300Ah ATG lithium, powering a Victron Phoenix inverter, going through an Ampfibian to the van. Might be able to dispense with the genny & petrol on most trips now?

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Follow Up By: Phil G - Wednesday, Sep 28, 2022 at 08:06

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Gday Bob,
Nice plan! I expect you will you be able to run the van's air cond with that! Then go for a drive to recharge the batteries. Your 130A alternator should be able to support plenty of DC-DC charging.
I've never had a genny - its a lot more fun playing with 12V!

In the Troopy I have 2 x 100Ah Lithium, 1500W Inverter, Enerdrive 40A DC2DC , 200W roof solar, and a Victron smart shunt. Powers 1-2 fridges and the inverter but we only use the inverter for short periods of time. Not interested in induction cooking and in our climate down south, don't need to run the air cond from the batteries.

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Reply By: Member - DOZER - Wednesday, Oct 05, 2022 at 15:50

Wednesday, Oct 05, 2022 at 15:50
The simplest way is to have the inverter in your car with batteries seperate to starter but charged by alternator, then simply connecting the van lead to the inverter and switching it on.
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