Advice: Change from 285 to 255?
Submitted: Thursday, Jan 27, 2022 at 07:59
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MrRichardB
Hi,
I understand the topic of 255 vs 285 has been discussed before, so I hope I do not
bore people. I wanted some clearance mainly for sand driving and therefore lifted the car and increased to tire size. I researched tires before I bought 285/75R16 for my 80 Series and was aware of some power loss and increased fuel having 265/75R16 before. However, I was surprised about the amount of power loss and increased fuel consumption. I am also a bit concerned about the stress those tires put on this 27-year-
old car. My question is now, should I consider selling and buying 255/85R16 or just stick with the 285/75R16. Will there be considerable better power, fuel consumption and less stress on the car with 255/85R16 making it worthwhile selling the 285 and buying 255?
Thanks in advance for your advice.
Reply By: Member - Bigfish - Thursday, Jan 27, 2022 at 10:48
Thursday, Jan 27, 2022 at 10:48
I,d get rid of the tyre for sure. Unfortunately too many believe bigger tyres mean better off road performance and its not until they fit the tyres that maybe, just maybe, the manufacturer knew what they were doing with the original size.. I still have a laugh at the youngens in the twin cab hiluxes with 4 inch lift and 35 inch tyre. YES..you will have better fuel economy, less stress on the drivetrain and probably better braking and handling as
well.
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Reply By: Peter_n_Margaret - Thursday, Jan 27, 2022 at 11:32
Thursday, Jan 27, 2022 at 11:32
Larger diameter typically improves off road performance . Width is of much less importance and can be a hindrance.
Any extra stress on the drive train will only be in first gear low range. There will be a reduction in braking (but an increase in road grip).
I don't agree that fuel consumption is worse with larger diameter tyres. The oddometer will under register and that may give that impression. Fix the oddometer first before asessing fuel economy. It may actually improve.
Cheers,
Peter
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Follow Up By: Member - McLaren3030 - Thursday, Jan 27, 2022 at 11:57
Thursday, Jan 27, 2022 at 11:57
I agree with Peter, unless you have corrected the odometer after putting larger tyres on, and you are using the odometer to calculate distance travelled, it will not be accurate. To get an accurate distance travelled, use a GPS until you get the odometer corrected.
As for extra strain on the running gear, you will barely notice the difference. If you were to change wheels as
well as tyres to a larger diameter, depending on how much larger, that will make a noticeable difference to the gearing ratio.
Macca.
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Follow Up By: MrRichardB - Sunday, Feb 06, 2022 at 16:27
Sunday, Feb 06, 2022 at 16:27
Peter,
Thanks for your
feedback. I have not accurately measured fuel consumption, but have the feeling that my tank does not last as long. However, I would assume that there is some greater fuel consumption as acceleration is slower as more mass needs to accelerate and more energy spend. I just don't know if 255/85 will improve this much.
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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Sunday, Feb 06, 2022 at 16:33
Sunday, Feb 06, 2022 at 16:33
The rate ofacceleration is dependent on the selected gear and the torque curve of the vehicle engine.
The energy required to accellerate a fixed mass from xkph to ykph will not change, irrespective of tyre size.
Cheers,
Peter
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Reply By: Bob Y. - Qld - Thursday, Jan 27, 2022 at 11:58
Thursday, Jan 27, 2022 at 11:58
Much of a muchness.
EO Tyre Comparison
Bob
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Follow Up By: Michael H9 - Thursday, Jan 27, 2022 at 18:40
Thursday, Jan 27, 2022 at 18:40
The 255/85/16's are actually a larger diameter so are probably a little worse.
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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Thursday, Jan 27, 2022 at 19:07
Thursday, Jan 27, 2022 at 19:07
Or a little better?
I would anticipate the 255s having lower roll resistance and therefore better fuel consumption.
Cheers,
Peter
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Follow Up By: Michael H9 - Thursday, Jan 27, 2022 at 20:09
Thursday, Jan 27, 2022 at 20:09
Possibly because they're lighter as
well but the gearing is still going to be a bit too tall. A fair bit of cash for an uncertain result in my opinion.
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Reply By: Member - John - Thursday, Jan 27, 2022 at 17:39
Thursday, Jan 27, 2022 at 17:39
MrRichard, may I ask how you measured the power loss?
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Follow Up By: MrRichardB - Sunday, Feb 06, 2022 at 16:30
Sunday, Feb 06, 2022 at 16:30
Hi,
I did not measure it. Just realised driving uphill I need to gear down earlier. First time I had to go in first gear on a very steal
hill as
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Reply By: Phil G - Thursday, Jan 27, 2022 at 23:17
Thursday, Jan 27, 2022 at 23:17
Problem with the 255/85R16 are they are only available in Mud Terrains and only in a few brands such as BFG, Toyo and Yokohama. They are less common and therefore more expensive. You will not see an improvement in fuel consumption but they are a nice tall tyre.
If you want less power loss and better fuel consumption, you need to go even skinnier - to say the 225/95R16 that is fitted to the current 76/78/79 series. It is still a nice tall tyre with that big 95 profile - diameter is 827mm (285/75 is 835mm). But you'd need new 6" or 7" rims.
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Follow Up By: MrRichardB - Sunday, Feb 06, 2022 at 16:34
Sunday, Feb 06, 2022 at 16:34
Phil,
Thanks for your reply. I don't think I will buy new rims, so I guess 225 are out of the question. With 255/85 being less available (e,g, outback trips) points to getting back to 265/75 and losing some ground clearance. Not sure how much that inch makes a difference (265/75 to 285/75).
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Reply By: Gbc.. - Friday, Jan 28, 2022 at 08:06
Friday, Jan 28, 2022 at 08:06
The 80 series is geared so low that some taller rubber can help the rev area at cruise speeds. Brakes - not so good.
You need to know the carcass weights of the tyres to have any sort of informed decision about which to buy. Ask any cyclist about rotating mass - it sucks power.
If they weigh the same I’d take the 285/75 simply for on road handling and load carrying. Higher internal volume means less psi required to carry the same weight, and skinny high profiles squirm if not blown up hard anyway. Off-road biased I’d probably take the 255/85’s.
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Follow Up By: MrRichardB - Sunday, Feb 06, 2022 at 16:59
Sunday, Feb 06, 2022 at 16:59
Gbc,
Thanks for the
feedback. It was quite interesting. Road handling and load carrying is certainly a plus for the 285. Do you know if there is a big difference in road handling and grip between 285 and 255?
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Follow Up By: Gbc.. - Sunday, Feb 06, 2022 at 17:20
Sunday, Feb 06, 2022 at 17:20
The 85’s and other ‘skinny’ tyres don’t really have an option for lower road pressures due to the aspect ratio so that is definitely a thing. You’ll be 45 psi plus even in an empty car due to sidewall squirm. If you are always heavy, no issue. For me I have a jack off canopy so I’ll be at gvm one day and almost back at OE tare the next so my tyres need to be double duty. Only you can answer your own usage questions I suppose. Good luck with it. 255/85 is very common overseas (USA).
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Reply By: Member Kerry W (Qld) - Friday, Jan 28, 2022 at 09:22
Friday, Jan 28, 2022 at 09:22
Hi Richard,
Maybe my experiences (without specifics) may add some clarity to your thoughts on this....As everything is a compromise with offroad tyres - consider this. You wanted clearance mainly for sand driving. I believe that most people have trouble in soft sand these days and it is not just the vehicle set up. Mainly the driver - but I digress. From someone who has driven 2wds up to very capable lifted, locked and prepared 4wds since the early 1970s, I can only suggest you go for the higher profile and larger width tyres (more sq inches to lift vehicle with less internal air pressure). The myth that narrow cheese cutter style tyres are better in sand only applies to very specific situations. You certainly will not acheive a technically difficult recovery with a vehicle fitted with narrower or cheese cutter style tyres in soft sand - I can speak from much experience on this! (Certainly if you yourself are stuck sometimes 8psi will get you moving but you cant do much about recovering your mate behind you and this speaks volumes about tyre profile). You are not changing much with your 2 suggested sizes so there will be little extra stress or changes to the vehicle performance - nothing that you cant change by altering your driving technique. If it costs a fraction more to be better off in sand then it is worth it (eg fuel wise etc) - 4wheel driving is not a cheap pastime anyway. Importantly, the less times you get stuck, stress yourself/vehicle or have to make difficult choices - the better! I can only suggest you spend plenty of time "playing" around in soft sand with your vehicle - it is the only way to learn how capable your vehicle "really" is. (Irrespective of the driver). Remember a lot of us managed quite
well with only 2wd vehicles in soft sand - if they can be capable of moving through sand then have faith in your 4WD and become master of its capabilities.
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Follow Up By: Rangiephil - Sunday, Jan 30, 2022 at 08:34
Sunday, Jan 30, 2022 at 08:34
I am grappling with narrow vs wide at the moment.
I have a Coromal Seka offroad van with 16x8 0 offset rims with 265x75x16 tyres. I picked up some Toyo aggressive A/Ts to replace 20 year old BFG ATs.
The Toyos have sidebiters and they end up about 3MM from the spring hangers so I had to add7MM spacers which work
well with no loosening etc.
My concern is that there is very little space in the inner guards , so in thick mud the guards may get stuffed with mud quickly.
16x7 wheels with 0 offset would be needed to fit 235 85 r16 tyres and they are expensive or rare second hand/.
BTW, 235 85x16 are actually a little heavier than 265 75s so I expect the same to be the case with the bigger tyres. They all weigh about 40KG on the rims.
I will eventually probably go to 235 85x16s. There are many options in AT available in that size.
Another issue is outback availability and I think that there are probably more 235 85s around than 265 75s. There would be NO 285 75 r16 availability outback and a long wait and high price would be asked.
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Reply By: Glot - Sunday, Feb 06, 2022 at 13:33
Sunday, Feb 06, 2022 at 13:33
If I may suggest, 4XOverland doea a few great you tube videos discussing tyres. A man with a LOT of experience with off road touring. Ronny Dahl also. They explain what tyre for where and why.
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Follow Up By: MrRichardB - Sunday, Feb 06, 2022 at 16:23
Sunday, Feb 06, 2022 at 16:23
Thanks for the
feedback. I watched all of their videos. However, it is very difficult to determine how the tyres perform and feel on your car without personal experience. My issue is more that I chose 285 as I read some
feedback that the difference in loss of acceleration as not as big (maybe they had a more powerful car). However, having them on my 80 Series I do find it quite substantial.
The question I try to solve is: Is it worth selling the 285/75, making some loss and getting 255/85 or 265/75. Will I have different issues with 255/85 e.g. less grip on the road? More roll in curves? I got good
feedback on this
forum (thanks everybody), but I am not closer to making a sound decision.
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