RV compressor fridge power usage
Submitted: Thursday, May 07, 2020 at 20:10
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ALISTER P
Good evening,
Please can someone tell me rule of thumb for fridge battery usage.
I am looking at a Retreat van with a 190 litre compressor fridge, 2x150w solar panels and 2x100ah batteries. All things being equal, on an average day, how long will the batteries last with the solar panels, using lights and tv as
well. I know its a fairly rubbery question, but best guess would be appreciated.
Would the panels charge the batteries from the previous days fridge, tv and lights use?
appreciate your thoughts
thanks,
alister
Reply By: RMD - Thursday, May 07, 2020 at 20:43
Thursday, May 07, 2020 at 20:43
Alister
I don't have a large van but a mate of
mine does. He has two 250 watt, not top quality panels and two 120 ah batteries. His similar sized fridge requires those panels to keep batteries charged. Some tv use and led lights inside. Poorer sun days change the equation considerably. Knowing his usage and observation of what happens you may require more solar area . Is the van equipped with an MPPT charge controller to maximize solar harvest when it is available. Two 150 watt panels is in theory 300 watts but the output may be quite a bit less in reality. You need to know the current drain of fridge when it is running and the lights on and the tv as
well so you can calculate the solar requirements and ah usage. Sellers should be able to tell you at least for relative info to ask further questions
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Reply By: swampy - Thursday, May 07, 2020 at 21:10
Thursday, May 07, 2020 at 21:10
hi
2x 100ah is small storage ,when they are worn out 120ah x2 min.
Solar needs to be another 150 ,,,tot = 450 watt and 30amp enerdrive solar controller
Fridge amp usage , contact maker or install a watt meter or
check amp draw x .75 x 24 hr = usage
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Reply By: Member - Warren H - Thursday, May 07, 2020 at 21:10
Thursday, May 07, 2020 at 21:10
Head over to Myswag and download
Symon's spreadsheet that allows you to input all the details of your solar/battery/load setup and calculates recharge and discharge, taking account of battery type, controller, panel efficiency, location and time of year. A really great resource.
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Follow Up By: nick g1 - Thursday, May 07, 2020 at 23:08
Thursday, May 07, 2020 at 23:08
Or on
blogs on this site go to
Electricity for camping
Very usefull to work out what you need.
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Reply By: Gronk - Friday, May 08, 2020 at 06:45
Friday, May 08, 2020 at 06:45
Start off with 300W of solar and see how you go. You will need a voltmeter to keep a
check on volts.
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Follow Up By: Member - shane r1 - Friday, May 08, 2020 at 08:44
Friday, May 08, 2020 at 08:44
I agree with Gronk,
But if you can get more Solar panel into your setup you’ll be better off. Panels are the cheapest bit. And hopefully get your batteries full every day.
Cheers
Shane
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Reply By: qldcamper - Friday, May 08, 2020 at 06:56
Friday, May 08, 2020 at 06:56
You have to take into consideration the duration of your trips.
It is good to have most bases covered but no matter how much solar and battery capacity you have it isnt going to cope with a week of rain.
You have to draw a line on expense of solar/storage and maybe invest in a small genset such as a EU10i and charger, or make sure you always have a cable long enough to connect to the cars charging system as a back up, but it takes a long time to top up 250 AH with the car idling, while the fridge is still running.
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Follow Up By: RMD - Friday, May 08, 2020 at 17:04
Friday, May 08, 2020 at 17:04
Any charging from a vehicle alternator via a cable to the van batteries has to be through very heavy cable so amps will actually flow. Any resistance will see the vehicle system quickly approach normal reg voltage when started and the cable limiting flow. Because there is little potential difference between an alt which is possibly 14 v and the batteries, already depleted and around 12 v or 12.2v, there is only 1.8v differential to make make/force amps to flow. If the cables are heavy enough, the alternator reg voltage will be lowered while amps flow. Unfortunately, at idle a vehicles alternator isn't really able to provide much amperage output until it is spinning at a reasonable speed to allow rotor magnetism field strength to be converted to amps in the stator. SO, above idle may be better than at idle. Idling will indeed take a long time because all electrical parameters are near their lowest and not approaching the optimum. Quicker with a 40 amp 240v ac smarter charger running off an Eu 10 Honda as suggested.
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Follow Up By: qldcamper - Friday, May 08, 2020 at 17:16
Friday, May 08, 2020 at 17:16
Good on ya RMD, we should call you captian obvious.
What if there was a BC DC unit in the van?
If the vehicle was set up to charge the vans batteries dont you think all that would have been considered?
Most late model alternators are capable of producing 20 amps or more at idle so the van batteries would get a fair kick,
but like said, it would take a very long time to recharge the batteries but would get the fridge cold again.
The small genset would be the better option.
Solar is good but it has its limitations.
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Follow Up By: RMD - Friday, May 08, 2020 at 19:33
Friday, May 08, 2020 at 19:33
There was no mention of DC DC units. What if the seller has thought of everything charge related and the posters questions are redundant? 20 amps at idle is still subject to cable resistance and subsequent losses in charge rate delivery. You may realise some of those things but the replies here are for the poster to evaluate. 20 amps is only 10 amps per battery, of course you know that, but the OP may not realise the batteries can take double that charge rate if it is available to reasonably promptly recharging the batteries. Just idling isn't going to be realistic is it? So faster will be better/ more effective The fridge is only going to demand around 4 amps and only when it is trying to cool, so not a large relative load at any time. Unless the batteries were below the fridge threshold dropout voltage then it will still be running and no cold lost at any time. Therefore it can't get cold again if it is already cold and operating via it's thermostat control. I hope this clarifies items for the OP even if you can't accept any clarification. I simply stated items which you did not.
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Follow Up By: qldcamper - Friday, May 08, 2020 at 21:19
Friday, May 08, 2020 at 21:19
RMD,
I simply stated that solar alone can not be relied on for extended periods without some form of mechanical energy production as a back up and mentioned 2 practical forms.
You seem to have took it upon yourself to demonstrate your uncontrolable urge to convince yourself you are an expert on everything by stating some obvious facts that are totally irrelivant. If the vehicle was intended by the OP as the only form of back up IF he intended extended stand alone trips he would have had the vehicle set up for it and everything you found on the net would have been addressed by a professional that doesnt rely on google.
Now if you can describe a solar set up that can sustain extended periods of poor light conditions without back up then please do so.
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Reply By: Keith B2 - Friday, May 08, 2020 at 08:11
Friday, May 08, 2020 at 08:11
Solar4RVs has a really good solar calculator.
Solar calculator
This will allow you to see where you stand in all regions of Australia at different times of the year. But it might be worth noting that you have only 100 amp hours of usable
battery power and, based on my own 210 litre 12 volt fridge, your fridge will use 60%-70% of that in a day.
The calculator will sort it out for you.
Keith
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Reply By: Member - DOZER - Friday, May 08, 2020 at 19:13
Friday, May 08, 2020 at 19:13
Compressor fridges are good in the kitchen, but when you sleep in thesame room, they can keep you awake. Make sure you need that compressor fridge over the 3 way, which is silent.......1 gas bottle can keep the fridge cold for 3 weeks.
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Reply By: Bob Y. - Qld - Friday, May 08, 2020 at 19:38
Friday, May 08, 2020 at 19:38
Wife’s sister & hubby did an extended trip with a van around Oz, a year or two ago. Their van came with a compressor fridge, pump, lights & plenty of fruit. Solar polar was 2 x 150w panels, running into 2 x 120Ah batteries. Apparently, this set up wasn’t ideal, so BIL had another 2 x 150w panels attached, and upgraded to 2 of Fullriver 120Ah batteries. He also fitted a Victron Connect controller, and upgraded fuses to 50A.
Haven’t had any power issues since.
Bob
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Saturday, May 09, 2020 at 09:07
Saturday, May 09, 2020 at 09:07
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Hi Bob,
Perhaps you should tell this to WAKO on Thread 139982 above? Although I doubt he will accept it. lol
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Follow Up By: ALISTER P - Sunday, May 10, 2020 at 12:33
Sunday, May 10, 2020 at 12:33
Excellent answer, thank you.
So...
4x150w @ 299ea =1196
2xFullriver @ 469ea =938
MPPT controller =499
Tot 2633 + fitting
I'm thinking one panel, one battery, 3-way fridge, no noise. The compliance plate for a 190lt gas fridge states 36gms gas per hour = 10days per bottle (lets say near enough). $75ish per month, $900 per year, but halve that 'cos I'm expecting half the time in a caravan park.
So $450 a year to feed a gas fridge. That's about 6 years to breakeven.
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Follow Up By: Member - McLaren3030 - Sunday, May 10, 2020 at 14:11
Sunday, May 10, 2020 at 14:11
Hi Alistair P,
You need to factor in the cost of staying in a caravan park. If you are self sufficient with power, you do not need to stay in a caravan park, but can stay in a cheaper
camp ground that has a shower &/or
toilet if that is all you need.
Personally, for efficiency, I would rather have a compressor fridge over an absorption fridge. Do not have to be perfectly level to work efficiently, the three I have are not noisy, 1 Engel, 1 Dometic & 1 Waeco. Yes, if stationary for persistent cloudy days, you do need to top up the batteries either with the car or a genny.
Macca.
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Reply By: HKB Electronics - Sunday, May 10, 2020 at 22:43
Sunday, May 10, 2020 at 22:43
I have found with an 80Ltr waeco compressor fridge that two 100W panel, and two 100Ah batteries barely keeps up. At times we had to supplement with solar blankets and occasionally with an ethanol fuel cell.
We now have 250W on the roof and two 100W removable panels, plus 200Ah of Lithium. No power issues now.
With 300W and 200Ah you would be forever chasing the sun and worrying about battery levels.
Three ways, they are often canned but we had one in a previuos Jayco van and never had a problem with it, it worked fine. It really depends on how self sufficient you want to be, these we mostly use gas for cooking, diesel for heating and hot water, 12V for everything else. Food and water is the only thing that limits how long we can stay out.
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Reply By: Travelling - Tuesday, May 12, 2020 at 12:49
Tuesday, May 12, 2020 at 12:49
400W of solar for the fridge only, and 200W for living power =600W minimum
200Ah lithium battery as a minimum.
Need set-up correctly so when travelling solar is charging the battery and the fridge is powered off the MAIN vehicle start battery via battery isolator and double throw relay in caravan. Makes it fully automatic change over.
Do have a DC/DC charger fitted Ctek D250SE however gets little use with set-up. I do put it on sometimes if travelling and think the solar may not fully top up the battery.
Anything less than 600W of solar and a quality MPPT solar regulator and 200Ah lithium and you will be left wanting and struggling.
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Reply By: Bushranger1 - Tuesday, May 12, 2020 at 13:46
Tuesday, May 12, 2020 at 13:46
G'day Alister,
There is no one system that is "better" than another.
You need to
tailor a system that suits your mode of travel.
For example I never plot in one place for a long period of time & I never stay on powered sites.
So no mains charging needed & I don't even need solar due to using the vehicle regularly. Also only have a wine now & again so the fridge is not trying to cool beer cans down all the time by being opened regularly.
So I require a COMPLETELY different setup than someone that stops for long periods & keeps topping up the fridge with warm drinks.
So what I am saying is no one can say their setup is better than another. As long as it is not under capacity there is no "BEST" setup.
Cheers
Stu.
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