Thermos Flask Failures and Deconstruction
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Member - pedro1
Sick of my thermos flasks failing after a couple of years use , I decided to find out why.
Basically construction of two metal walls with a vacuum gap. Any dent will render them useless !
Wouldn't it be good if they had a insulation material between the walls
The inner container appears to sit on two small pads to separate it from the outer base
My new flask has no rubber outside protection or metal protection base compared to the two year old one .
See photos to compare.

Thermos Base

Thermos Walls

Thermos protection compared old to new
I have not much confidence in this product unless I wrap it in bubble wrap
Reply By: Ron N - Thursday, Oct 31, 2019 at 21:38
Thursday, Oct 31, 2019 at 21:38
As a full-time Thermos flask user since 1965, I can tell you this much - I have never, ever found a full-metal construction Thermos of any brand - and I've bought and used them all - to be of any major usefulness in keeping hot water hot.
Even the Stanleys I've bought were next to useless, with boiling water poured into them at 5:00AM or 6:00AM, being just lukewarm at midday on most days.
Even pre-heating them with boiling water did little to improve their effectiveness.
I found that the cheapest glass Thermos from K-Mart or Target or Coles or Woolies (when they still sold them) were the best Thermos' for keeping water hot.
The only problem is their fragility, and they need extra-special care.
I missed out on hot drinks more than once by leaving the glass Thermos on the ute
seat, and braking hard to avoid animals, sent the flask crashing to the ute floor, destroying it in the process.
But the bottom line is that the cheap glass flasks are not a great financial loss if broken, and they are quickly replaced by another el-cheapo Chinese flask.
I currently have 2 x 1 litre all-metal Aladdins bought from Bunnings in
Broome last year, and they have only re-inforced my view, that these style of flasks are useless.
I wouldn't have bought them, but the missus won out because she liked their size.
Even preheating for 10 mins with boiling water and then emptying and refilling again, in the early morning, they are only just barely warm by midday.
Cheers, Ron.
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Follow Up By: tim_c - Friday, Nov 01, 2019 at 09:33
Friday, Nov 01, 2019 at 09:33
That's not been my experience - I've always found the water too hot to hold my hand under even when pouring out the water the next day (ie. after 24 hours).
I wouldn't think it would make a huge difference, but do you fill it all the way to the top? I've heard that it keeps them hot longer if they are full (I fill
mine so the water is right up to the base of the stopper plug).
I had one fail once (just after telling everyone how long this thing kept the water hot, I poured myself a luke-warm drink - the water had only been in there for 7 hours) - it was not damaged, I can only assume the vacuum chamber got a leak. It was replaced under warranty, no questions asked - the replacement was good last time I used it.
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Follow Up By: Ron N - Friday, Nov 01, 2019 at 11:57
Friday, Nov 01, 2019 at 11:57
Tim - Yes, I always ensure the Thermos flask is full up to the stopper level, to eliminate any chance of heat dissipation.
Maybe I've just been dead unlucky, and all the metal Thermos' and Aladdins and Stanleys I've ever bought, were duds.
But I still believe that glass is the best insulator, and my experience consistently proves that even the cheapest Chinese glass Thermos flask, still outperforms any full-metal flask.
Cheers, Ron.
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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Friday, Nov 01, 2019 at 23:49
Friday, Nov 01, 2019 at 23:49
I have two older
Stanley's and a couple of new Thermos bottles. All work
well enough but I look after them. It's not a difficult job to protect them while travelling. One of the
Stanley's works much better (100%+ better) than the other because they changed the stopper design, presumably after complaints. The new stoppers simply had a groove and a rubber O ring added to the plastic stopper - works beautifully. Having read comments above I might contact them to get a new stopper for the original. Daughter and partner recently bought me a Jetboil and I have the trusty Kelly kettle. Pros and cons for all of them.
Btw I'm not advocating you try but there are videos showing how to simply and safely (?) refill small gas canisters and plenty of discussion around same if anyone's interested. I gather it's illegal to transport refilled cartridges in the USA, don't know about here.
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Reply By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Friday, Nov 01, 2019 at 11:13
Friday, Nov 01, 2019 at 11:13
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Pedro,
I am finding some confusion here with the "inner and outer" walls.
There are three walls.... the inner wall of the vacuum flask, the outer wall of the vacuum flask, and the outside shell that surrounds the whole appliance. It is difficult to determine which you are referring to.
I can only imagine that any "dents" are occurring in the outside shell of the appliance. If this dent touches the wall of the vacuum flask then some, but I should think very little, heat transfer would occur.
If impacts to the outside shell are of such magnitude as to dent the vacuum flask outer wall to contact the inner wall then that is a mighty solid impact and may be considered as rough handling. Maybe Thermos are pretty flimsy but my old Aladdin
Stanley is scratched and rusty, but not dented and seems to have a pretty solid outside shell that manages fair handling. Maybe later models are more flimsy?
Incidentally, my first
Stanley lost vacuum soon after purchase and was promptly replaced by the manufacturer without question.
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Follow Up By: Member - pedro1 - Friday, Nov 01, 2019 at 19:15
Friday, Nov 01, 2019 at 19:15
Hi Allan, There are only two walls in these flasks, outer shell and the inner container .
Have another look at the photos.
You may have the answer to why there reliability is so poor compared to the past, if they used to have three walls
in construction but now only have two walls and no outside rubber protection.
All my faulty flask flasks show no major impact damage. Made to fail !
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Friday, Nov 01, 2019 at 20:20
Friday, Nov 01, 2019 at 20:20
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Well Pedro, I looked again at your photos more carefully and I now see that yes, there are only two walls.
You have educated me. I have always assumed that the stainless flasks were constructed like the glass ones, with a double walled vacuum flask and a steel outer protective container.
But not so it seems. I have just gone to my workshop and removed the bottom cap from my SS
Stanley flask and I can see that it is an outer of plain steel attached to the stainless inner wall of the flask. There is no third jacket. This outer wall has no dents but has lost some of its painted finish and is showing some light rust.
My flask has not been used for some time so I don't know if it still functions as when new.
I only bought it to use when travelling with friends who like to stop for formal morning-tea with a cuppa and a biscuit. Our routine is to drink water as we travel and not stop for morning-tea.
Sorry for misunderstanding you.
The classic
Stanley that I have has lost some of the green paint finish and this is then showing faint surface rust which shows that is not part of the stainless steel vacuum flask but a separate plain steel outer container, but I can't get it apart to photograph for you.
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