Could you make it?

Submitted: Tuesday, Apr 07, 2015 at 17:21
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On a similar note to a recent post about testing yourself, I was wondering how many could still do it without new technology? Could you still use a map and compass? Know where North is from the Sun, the Moon or the Stars? Moss will only grow on a certain side of a tree. Can you remember which side?
All well and good having all the "new" stuff, but what if it fails?
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Reply By: Member - Terry W4 - Tuesday, Apr 07, 2015 at 17:47

Tuesday, Apr 07, 2015 at 17:47
Indeed. Love navigation - learned how to map read using a prismatic compass when I was 12. Taught my kids - when I learned to fly light aircraft it was the part I loved most. Although have all the technology in the vehicle, I still carry paper maps and a compass.

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Reply By: Member - Boobook - Tuesday, Apr 07, 2015 at 18:21

Tuesday, Apr 07, 2015 at 18:21
North and South is easy 1st level scout stuff, and while it could save you in some situations, it is only of limited use without east and west.

Now who can locate east and west positioning without a GPS? That's what I want to learn. Unfortunately I can't find anywhere that still has the skills to teach it.
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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Tuesday, Apr 07, 2015 at 18:36

Tuesday, Apr 07, 2015 at 18:36
Er, LOL Boobook
Just need to know your light hand from your left mate:-)
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Follow Up By: Notso - Tuesday, Apr 07, 2015 at 18:51

Tuesday, Apr 07, 2015 at 18:51
Yeah, finding direction with a digital watch.

Go to a vertical cliff edge, turn your back to it. Remove your digital wrist watch and toss it over your left shoulder. That means your watch has gone West, so East must be directly in front of you!
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Follow Up By: Michael H9 - Tuesday, Apr 07, 2015 at 18:54

Tuesday, Apr 07, 2015 at 18:54
That's easy, my light hand glows in the dark....where's the fun in an edit feature eh?
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Follow Up By: Idler Chris - Vic - Tuesday, Apr 07, 2015 at 19:06

Tuesday, Apr 07, 2015 at 19:06

This is my plan B. Works well during the day but challenged at night.
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Reply By: Member - Rowdy6032 (WA) - Tuesday, Apr 07, 2015 at 20:39

Tuesday, Apr 07, 2015 at 20:39
Hi

Some members may find this link useful.

http://www.police.wa.gov.au/Portals/11/PDFs/AidsToSurival_2007.pdf

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Follow Up By: Member - Munji - Saturday, Apr 11, 2015 at 14:24

Saturday, Apr 11, 2015 at 14:24
Thanks for the link Rowdy6032
Had the privilege of knowing Bert many years ago (1978) He used to teach us martial arts and was a very competent man. Trouble with Bert he too often had an inclination to demonstrate a question and many found themselves laying on the ground (5912)
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Reply By: PaulH - Tuesday, Apr 07, 2015 at 20:41

Tuesday, Apr 07, 2015 at 20:41
With an anlogue watch (with hands) you find North by using the hands of the watch (not on DST). Basically if you point the hour hand at the sun then half way to the 12 is North. Work through it to double check I have it right and that you can do it. Once you know north you can work out the rest. (Corrections welcome, it's been a long time!)

At night if there are good stars, you can get south celestial pole. It's about 6 lengths extension of the long axis of the southern cross. More accurately it's the intersection of the extension of the long axis and the perpendicular bisector of the line between the 2 pointers. Then drop straight down to earth and you have due south. Then you can work out the rest.
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Follow Up By: Member - Kiwi_In_Aussie(Wagga) - Wednesday, Apr 08, 2015 at 10:51

Wednesday, Apr 08, 2015 at 10:51
The method you have quoted is for the NORTHERN hemisphere ONLY doesn't work in Southern hemisphere


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSPtnAN9G7s

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Follow Up By: Member - Kiwi_In_Aussie(Wagga) - Wednesday, Apr 08, 2015 at 11:01

Wednesday, Apr 08, 2015 at 11:01
Sorry

I am referring to the analogue watch method :-)
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Follow Up By: PaulH - Wednesday, Apr 08, 2015 at 11:17

Wednesday, Apr 08, 2015 at 11:17
I think the watch method can be adapted to southern hemisphere. You just have to practice it a few times to learn the correct methodology.

From the WA police Survival guide linked to in an earlier reply:

Sun Movement
The sun’s position north or south of the equator is called declination. It is furthest
north on June 21, crosses the equator on September 21, is farthest south on December
21 and re-crosses the equator on its way north on March 21. Any east–west line
indicated when the sun crosses the equator on the 21 March and the 21 September will
be accurate.
WATCH METHOD
To find north using your watch simply -
1. Stand holding your wristwatch horizontal with the figure 12 pointing at the sun
2. Bisect the angle between the hour hand and the 12 O'clock position
3. The line will indicate approximately north and is accurate within 5-8 degrees
Direction Finding Using A Wrist Watch
Note:
This method will not apply to areas north of the Tropic of Capricorn during the
period of the midsummer equinox for your area.
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Follow Up By: Member - Kiwi_In_Aussie(Wagga) - Wednesday, Apr 08, 2015 at 11:25

Wednesday, Apr 08, 2015 at 11:25
that's why I included the video it shows BOTH methods - completely different to each other

One points the HOUR hand at the sun (Northern Hemisphere) the other (southern hemisphere) points the 12 O'clock numeral at the sun
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Reply By: Hewy54 - Tuesday, Apr 07, 2015 at 21:25

Tuesday, Apr 07, 2015 at 21:25
Interesting, but where does the concept of "new technology" finish. Before we had an analogue watch, before we had electricity. Before we had the luxury of cars. We can all remember what it was like "before". When I tried to buy my son a toolkit so he could fix his car if something went wrong, he said he does not need one. He has a mobile phone. He may be right.
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Follow Up By: Hewy54 - Wednesday, Apr 08, 2015 at 07:50

Wednesday, Apr 08, 2015 at 07:50
On a similar note, I was a maths teacher for 40 years and spent a great deal of time trying to teach kids long division. Then along came common use of calculators, but the comment from old school was ' what happens if your batteries go flat'. You buy new batteries of course. While still struggling myself with many modern technologies, I try to embrace it and find a way for it to be an advantage for me and improve my quality of life. If it doesn't, I stick with the old.
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Follow Up By: Member - Ups and Downs - Wednesday, Apr 08, 2015 at 10:28

Wednesday, Apr 08, 2015 at 10:28
When people ask me about the flat battery thing, I ask if we should be teaching mechanics how to shoe a horse, 'Just in case'!
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, Apr 07, 2015 at 21:48

Tuesday, Apr 07, 2015 at 21:48
I didn't quite appreciate my simple fluro tape SDG , until after I did that testing yourself exercise.

In the actual situation there was no phone coverage , heavy tree cover limiting GPS and no sun to form a shadow and vegetation was not enough to clearly support a direction.

Something as simple as flagging tape was enough to maintain a rough bearing and get the job done.

Sort of makes you wonder , and for me this low tech backup system has earn't its place in the car.
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Follow Up By: SDG - Tuesday, Apr 07, 2015 at 21:57

Tuesday, Apr 07, 2015 at 21:57
Sorry if it sounded like I was having a go at your exercise. I wasn't. I thought you did good. It just got me thinking about other places where things can happen.
I even started rereading a few survival books I had here to see what I could remember.

BTW.
I forgot a bit. lol
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Reply By: Steve in Kakadu - Tuesday, Apr 07, 2015 at 22:38

Tuesday, Apr 07, 2015 at 22:38
My first survey job was a 300 km section of the Darwin to Alice railway in 1982, we used a tellurometer and we did star observations.
So I think I would be alright with out todays technolodgy, I used the first Magellan handheld gps unit in Australia, today well I have 2 gps units on my boat and a sat nav in the car plus my son and I have the latest hema maps on our phones and Ipads lol.
But with an old T 1 theodolite and a almanac and a clear night I recon I will be a bit rusty but I will get by.
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Reply By: Member - Anthony W Adelaide - Wednesday, Apr 08, 2015 at 13:20

Wednesday, Apr 08, 2015 at 13:20
Never
Eat
Soggy
Weetbix

Goes clockwise, so if you can find one you can find them all.
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Reply By: Fab72 - Wednesday, Apr 08, 2015 at 20:14

Wednesday, Apr 08, 2015 at 20:14
Enter the late, great Len Beadell.
Undoubtabley the master of navigation by the stars and theodolite.

Fab.
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Reply By: Member - nick b - Thursday, Apr 09, 2015 at 09:08

Thursday, Apr 09, 2015 at 09:08
A hunter bloke I know "goes remote" said to me that he has a gps on had but does not use it ....relies on observation etc... because what happens if the electronics brake down in anyway ??
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