Huge problems after rebuild.

Yep double check Cam belt and I.Pump timing

It's the 3L. LH 113R 2779cc

Thanks mate, will call around guys in penrith today, see if i can find a good mechanic.

I have paid half, he's not getting anymore.

Thanks mate, heard they where good.. But I need a mobile diesel guy around penrith / badgerys creek. I cant drive it now, there is now oil spurting out from behind my alternator as well... Unbelievable...

Are you in the NRMA or have the Allianz roadside assist in your insurance? Get it towed to a proper workshop. You can spend a lot of money doing things cheap...if you know what I mean? I hope it gets sorted for you.

Yes agree 100%.

There is two parts to the contract that has to be fulfilled..... your part of paying for the repairs and then his part of rectifying the problems, both are two different contracts.

And not fulfilling any part of the contract can lead to legal action.....right or wrong.

Contracts in court can become messy and costly to all involved.

For example if you still owed him $3000 (half of repair cost) and you got it done somewhere else or he got it repaired and it worked out to be something simple at a cost of $400.... then you turn into the bad person for owing money and he has to chase you legally for it (not saying you would do that).

The other thing is you have to look at the work he provided; even that it may not be completed, does the work he preformed (even thou it's not working properly) cost more as it stands now.

Robert you must be lucky to be able to take possession of your vehicle before paying the full amount...... nothing leaves our workshop with out payment unless and account customer.

You have to think level headed.... is it his workmanship, sublet workmanship, failed or wrong component new, used or recond...... so is it something in his control or out of his control that has caused the issue.

Try talking and working with him to sort the issue out and document all dealings including what was the dealings, the time, the date, how the dealing took place (phone, in person, letter, email)..... the more information you have the better if it goes legal.

And regarding finding another mechanic....... stick to the one you have, it could be an oversight out of his control.

We have had similar issues arise thinking that new part can't be at fault and looked at everything else with no real outcome only to replace the new part eventually and still have the same issue......(one questions their own ability, turned out to be a faulty batch or incorrect part with the right part number for this one particular part.

QUOTE[If he refuses to give you your money back ]

The mechanic has the legal right to charge a reasonable fee for work performed. Nobody gets things for free.

We are all thinking "faulty workmanship on his behalf".... might be out of his control.

And seeking compensation...... very hard and in most cases it will be rejected.... unforeseen out of pocket expenses yes.

Just curious olcoolone, what part of this fiasco could be out of his control? According to the OP, and just for arguments sake let's say he is not leading all of us up the garden path, this bloke re-built the whole engine. If indeed he is now saying he has no idea why his own workmanship has produced an engine that will not perform, blows smoke and now leaks oil, why should he be trusted to correct the problems?
The part about withholding his payment, yes, a legal minefield with only the lawyers likely to benefit if it comes to that.

Cheers
Pop

For starter we get people coming in say "they rebuilt the whole thing" only to find out that only the head gasket was done.

When something is out of ones control it usually relates to something provided by a third party...... like the fuel pump for example.

When a vehicle manufacture has a recall nine times out of 10 it's not bad workmanship on the vehicles manufactures behalf.... but a part supplied to them from a supplier/manufacture.... the vehicle manufacture relies on the parts manufacture to produce a part that is correct and fit for purpose...... when the vehicle manufactures have a recall for a faulty part who do you think pays for the rectification, the parts manufacture..... and it goes down the line to the end cause.

If the mechanic did every piece of work and manufactured every part himself from raw materials then yes it is his fault because he has control over the whole process... but if the fuel pump dies that he had rebuilt by someone else and a part they fitted failed due to the material issue (wrong seal material supplied by the seal manufacturer) then he and the pump builder has no control over it and it rests with the manufacturer of the pump seal.

The biggest problem with forums is you only ever hear one side of the story and in most cases it's from an unhappy customer with a BIG gripe.

Hence why I play the devils advocate most times and take a no sided logical view.

Look how many on this forum blames the mechanic with out knowing all the facts from both parties involved.



"why should he be trusted to correct the problems" ...... because it's law that's why.

So I present my vehicle to mechanic and ask him to service it. Let's stick with a simple oil and oil filter change. I take my car home and most of my hopefully new oil is spread all over my drive way. The rest is coating the road from wherever the new filter seal ring failed.
Going by your logic I shouldn't bother ringing the mechanic and asking for a new filter to be fitted and some more oil. I should contact Ryco, Baldwin, AC Delco, Donaldson or whoever made the filter and demand the name of the O ring supplier.
My contract is with the mechanic, not whoever he sourced his parts from.
If he got some bargain basement box full of filters that is his problem.

pop2jocem....Of course you have to go back to your original contact and I have never said different. And then it's up to the contact with whom you purchased services from to act professionally.

1) So you by a reputable TV from Harvey Normans.... and it fails two times in the first 12 months..... do you blame Harvey Norman for the failure or do you blame the reputable TV manufacturer for the fault.

2) You bought a TV of Harvey Norman and upon delivery they dropped it... would you blame the TV manufacturer or Harvey Norman. Again Harvey Norman would be your first point of call.

In case 1) Harvey Norman and yes Harvey Norman would be you first port of call. Harvey Normans have no say in the failure or repair and is out of their control.

In case 2) Any one in their right mind knows that Harvey Norman is to blame and no the reputable TV manufacturer who has no say in it as it is out of their control. But if the reputable TV manufacturer arranged delivery then it's their fault and not Harvey Norman.

Each came apply pressure to the one at fault to get it sorted.

Most can work it out ..... except you.

There is a BIG difference in something being one's fault and not one's fault.


BTW all my dealings with Harvey Norman have been top notch and any issues rectified very quickly in most cases exceeding my expectations and demands.

oc, OK, I don't know about you but I am starting to lose interest in this subject. I think we are just going in circles now, but one more go from me.
Your No 2 scenario is another topic for discussion as far as I am concerned. A pretty simple option though as the original manufacturer is not involved in any way.
As to the product failure as per your No 1 scenario my first port of call would be to Harvey Norman. Never to Samsung, LG or whoever made the product. It should be up to Harvey Norman or whichever retailer I bought the goods from, to resolve the issues. My contract to purchase is with the retailer. My personal experiences with this or any other reputable retailer I have had dealings with were always dealt with in a very satisfactory manner.
If this were not the case my second call would be to the relevant consumer affairs department, let them sort it out and accept the judgement.
Exactly how I would approach the situation the OP finds himself in with one exception. He appears to have gone down the path of using Mr El Cheapo Backyarder to his unfortunate dismay.
A more reputable repairer with all the appropriate paperwork in order should have resulted in a far more satisfactory result. Where the "reputable" repairer sourced whatever he used to affect the repair is not, and should not, have to be the concern of the customer.
It sounds like you either manage or own your own repair shop. Consider the situation where the cash flow is a bit slow and a large account is due but a previously good customer has run up a big bill and instead of payment is offering excuses why he can't pay.
Try offering your supplier who is putting the pressure on you to cough up, the excuse that one of your customers hasn't payed you and see how that flys.
To the maxims "pay peanuts, get monkeys", "caveat emptor" I would add "you can't make strawberry jam from a bucket of pig sh1t".

If your starting to loose interest why such the long reply?

I have nothing to argue against you with....sorry.

Can I remind you your hearing one side of the story form someone who is a tad angry about it, both sides of a story usually results in a different decision.

How do you know the customer didn't want it done cheaper..... didn't want some things replaced, recond or new....... didn't want this and didn't want that.

Spending $5000+ on a 1993 Hiace is not something I would recommend to one of my customers.

"Do it for cash.. Ok."
Uhoh. You'll never see that again. Cut your losses and take it somewhere else. "cash" means no invoice, no contract, no warranty. Like it was never done. Certainly seems as that is the approach being taken by the repairer.

Steve

Obviously you will never sort it out as you are very bitter and bleep about it.

Good luck.

And if you don't cooperate sensibly with a level head and no smoke out of the ears you can kiss your 5 grand good by.

BTW did he give you an itemised invoice for the work or no invoice?

"Just got to to a 20 job on friday drop in".... Sorry what does it mean?

Olcoolone. Obviously in the trade like me. Cash means cheap & off the books. I think the Op has done his cash. Time to cut losses. Accept a bad decision, and move on to get it fixed. Properly. Live and learn.
Steve.

Sorry to hear Robert, but it sounds like the term "pay peanuts, get monkeys" may apply.
As Steve (above) said, learn from it and move on. Without documentation, legally, it never happened.

Cheers
Pop

So what is the cause of the problem other then the pump being loose.