Sunday, Apr 20, 2014 at 12:32
Alan mate 3 to 5 meters is a
well in any terms.
My brother is a windmill doctor, and he cleans wells for a living.
Let me tell you 3 to 5 meters is a big hole and that does require quite some shoring up.
Give you some idea.
A few years ago, my brother was typically charging $100 a foot to clear a standard 4 foot diamter
well shaft....I am sure the price has gone up since then.
He and his off sider used to recon they where doing all right to do 4 to 6 feet a day using shovel,bucket and windlass.
NOW remember this is a hole that has already been dug, the shaft already shored up and is filled with more or less lose material.
Now remember for each meter of a 4 foot diameter hole you are shifting about 4 cubic meters of material..as it lies..off the shovel that works out to be arround 6 cubic metres of material..if that is dry sand, that works out to be arround 2 to 3 tonnes, if its wet it could be as much as 6 tonnes.......PER METER DUG
Now untill he recent illness, he was a vigorous little man with a savage shoveling action and
well hardened to this work.....and energiser bunny in a big hat.
So..how do you recon you are going to go.
Now...there is a good reason why these shafts are cut at 4 feet......because that is how much room a short man needs to work
now if you are to free dig, without shoring...you will need to dig a hole at least twice the diameter as the depth you are to dig to......that is a F@#$%!G BIG hole.
Now...ya typical heavy rigid tip truck has a 10 meter bin and carries about 12 tonnes maxed out.
so I recon If I was contracting to fill a 5 meter conical hole, I would be safe in quoting 4 trick lodas of fill.
So alan..what exactly are you trying to do.
cheers
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Follow Up By: equinox - Sunday, Apr 20, 2014 at 18:44
Sunday, Apr 20, 2014 at 18:44
It would seem Bantam that either way I am going to have to practise with the shovel.
I can't see myself shoring the sides either so will have to have a large diameter.
Basically I have seen a lot of potential water sources in my travels over the years and would like to open some of them up.
Cheers
Alan
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Sunday, Apr 20, 2014 at 20:12
Sunday, Apr 20, 2014 at 20:12
Hi
Slightly irrelevant but 1 cubic meter of sand (quartz dominated) actually comes in at around 1.5 tonnes, not 0.5 tonnes as suggested. Density varies with composition (i.e. grain size, mineralogy, moisture content) but you'll have trouble finding any "dirt" less that 1 tonne per cubic metre. Using a density of 1.28 for "silty loam", a conical hole 5 metes deep with a 3 metre wide opening on the surface will equate to about ~ 15 tonnes of material requiring removal.
As indicated by others it wouldn't be safe to go so deep with such a narrow opening without support on sides. If you go wider at the surface the volume/tonnes goes up exponentially.
I have a feeling the novelty of doing such a thing by hand even with some mechanical assistance would wear off very quickly. I dug 20 holes in the
Little Sandy Desert week before last (~0.6 tonnes per hole). Fun factor = zero..but positive was exercise and a few marsupial mole tunnels observed.
I don't know of anyway to assist the digging process with a vehicle (have a few ideas but as we are not allowed to mention these I wont :)
If you do find a way ..make sure animals can't be trapped in the hole i.e. more digging and provide a ramp. Enough open hole death traps out in the bush now ..don't need any more.
Cheers
Greg
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Follow Up By: The Bantam - Sunday, Apr 20, 2014 at 22:43
Sunday, Apr 20, 2014 at 22:43
Yeh I was perhaps being a little generous in my estimates of mass...this sand might be fluffy dusty stuff........but I think the point is.....thats a lot of stuff to shovel no matter which way you look at it.
cheers
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