best off road tyre

yeah obviously the're not designed for sand but just wondering weather the mtz performs better in sand than bfg muddies.

If anyone has had both bfg muddies and mickey mtz's. I would like to know your opinion on both and any noticeable differrences in performances in different terrains. Would be much appreciated. Cheers

I've run STT Coopers and now on my second set of MTZ's, When it comes to sand there is no difference.

Ok cool thanks for the advice. How do rate your mtz's compared to the stt's

Like others I had a few problems with STT's losing lugs and side wall splits that I haven't had with the MTZ's, So will stick with them for a while.

Yeah ok i see what you are saying..i suppose my next question would be is what is the better tyre between the two overall. I have never ran any other tyre than bfg. my first 4wd had bfg all terrains already on it, since then i have been using the muddies they have never let me down, never had a puncture but surely there is a better performing sand tyre that is as good as quality as the bfg's that's why i was thinking mtz's

I have a mate that runs a mobile mechanic business. He runs the toyo mt's on his custom dual rear axle 75 series just for their load ratings. They are an extremely aggresive looking tyre good to know they perform well and handle those tough terrains for long periods. Will def keep them in mind. Cheers.

Agree with Mick. Currently have Toyo OC MTs on my car. Done 30k km so far with them (nearly 10k km of road) and can say those tyres are tough. If strength is what you're after, with these you'll definitely see where your money's gone.
Had a set of Mickey Thompson STZ prior to that and performance difference in sand is negligible. Easily can be compensate with 1-2 PSI lower t.p. with Toyos.

I second that ! My last set of tyres were BFG A/Ts. My Toyo open country tyres have travelled 30,000kms. In all types of terrain. Currently working my way around Oz. I think they perform better in the sand than my BFGs. I spent a couple of days driving the stretch of sand dunes between Beachport and Robe with my pressures at 10 lbs. When my pressure was at 18 lbs I bogged ! I drove everything comfortably in my 4.5 petrol cruiser with lower tyre pressures. I hope this helps..... Thanks Mick O for your excellent blogs ! For it was after reading many of them that I decided Toyo Open country tyres were definatley worth trying ! I'm very happy with them to date and they've done some pretty tough stuff exploring the Kimberly etc... Happy travels !

I meant Cooper STT not Cooper ST above.


Just for interest , some quite detailed tests were run by 4wdaction in 2 issues 146 & 167 comparing At & MT and some of the new inbetween tyres like the ST-Maxx.

the sand & mud results put BFG slightly above the MTZ, with the ST-Maxx a notch higher again.

Hey Robin - do you really place any faith in the results in that mag? Advertising influenced results not out of the question!

Wow - you change tyres once a week. I'm guessing you have some serious equipment. Would get a bit tedious with a jack and wheel brace!

What one puts there faith in can be a tricky question Krooznalong,
and I try not to get tocynical to quickly.

But would you put your faith in a forum post from someone who rarely uses different tyres , gets a new set fitted , and says gee Whizz these are good which probably more reflects the fact that they now have something brand new.

I'd love to be in the position of some of those testers and have team changing all those sets of tyres and measure the results and do all the work.

Imagine having others set it all up and all you have to do is drive - one day maybe !
I can change 4 wheels by hand in 30 min now so its not to demanding - do use hand tools.

I think that you have to weed thru lots of stuff actually and make sure it smells right.

I've had a lot of experience weeding thru engineering specs and looking for duds, and having different sets of tyres helps & works out cheaper in the long run I feel.

One thing you can do is to simply get the specs and check em out.

In the case of these latest tyres is easy to verify if they do have deepest tread , do they indeed have largest diameter and more rubber - I no longer get embrassed walking into a tyre shop with Luggage scales in hand.
Measure the weight , percentage of carcass vunerable to punctures , check load ratings and plies.
(I have 2 sets of BFG AT one load D, other set Load E - many get caught by this on EBAY)

When they meet there claims here then its on to road reports and here forum posts can have a helpful roll.

What you can't tell so easily is how they chip, squirm etc and reports from users help a lot here but then you need to have some idea of the type of driver , some clowns don't lower them and complain they chip to easily etc etc - you probably get the picture.

You also have to match them to your use pattern - for this latest set I'm getting its meant for surviving the harshess conditions - but I also love my classic BFG AT which are probably the best
for outback gravel work, and every week I put back on my set of D693 for surviving the local roundabouts.

Just as a side note - while I have already placed an order for a second set of these tyres I happened to pick up another mag "Overlander" today and its almost embrassing in the reports it carries for the choice I made from independant people so all is rosy at the moment.