Alcohol in the out back.do people stick to 1 slab per car ?

Hi PJR,Read what Sandman wrote,reply no 6.When traveling should we be inconvenienced by minority groups that spoil things for the large majority who do the right thing?Food for thought i guess.Bye Stuart and Gunny

Geez your'e bigoted Phil........... "Not Yanks"!!
I guess that you are not aware that coffee has been produced in Australia since 1832.

Allan

I was waiting for that. Hi

Bigoted! I just can't stand the way everyone follows them.

Phil

Stuart

I am sick of being ruled by or dictated to by minority groups. Man has survived for centuries by following the will of the majority. They say we are governed by the majority. Pigs. It's the minority who choose who the majority vote for. Thus it's eventuality the minorities choice who gets elected. All the way from the "in crowd" at party meetings to the top.

It's the minority who get drunk why should I be limited to just a dictated number chosen by some shiny bottomed beaurocrat. Not.

Where did all that come from???

Phil

Ahhh, Phil, There is a lot I don't like about America either......but I do like my coffee. However when camping, black tea is simpler for me. That way I can look forward to a good espresso coffee when I get home.

We didn't take any but I seem to recall that you can carry a few (???) up the Cape if a tourist or something. I could easily be wrong though.

Phil

For the most part you can carry the whole brewery if you stay on the 'through' roads. You cannot, however, go into any community carrying more than the allowed quantity. I understand there are moves afoot by the Newman LNP govt in QLD to repeal these laws but for the moment they remain in place. Always a good idea to check with the relevant department or HERE for the current rules and allowances.

H Aussi Traveler.In certain areas where the locals cause problems when drunk they have put limits on how much alcohol that travelers can take.Which inconveniences the majority of people who do the right thing because of a minority.Bye Stuart and Gunny

Hi Hairy.Cape York in July.Thanks mate

Have a look at this LINK....might help

When I was younger the one carton rule was one carton, per man, per day.

Still is Frank! LOL

No it's not, it's one carton per day per man plus one....all ways has been.

Noel K.

Hi Ozrover.I think you can only travel with 1 carton now.What do you think about what Sandman had to say.Reply no 6 .Bye Stuart and Gunny

How much do you slug for a carton now Jeff?

Hairy,
$65 for mid x 30, $75 for heavies x 30 & $77 for premiums x 24.

Stuart & Gunny,
There is a lot of discussion on here about the rights & wrongs of carrying alcohol while travelling, but the simple fact is while it's illegal to take alcohol to dry communities like Finke, the local police are realists & as long as you are passing through & not staying they don't mind.

What I don't understand is some peoples need to take ridiculous amounts of alcohol, be it beer, spirits of wine, with them from home.

Surely if you run out of your favorite tipple, then try something different from where ever it is that you are at that time, & if you can't for what ever reason, then do without!

Hi Sandman.Your point of view i think most people will agree with but dont have the balls to say it.You view point is not arty farty and PC.It is a shame that a minority can spoil things for the majority who do the right thing.If they had heavy fines for those who sold or supplied grog to the locals i could understand that.Bye Stuart and Gunny

Hi Bill,
Agree entirely. Some years back I travelled with three friends who were in the wine making business and we did around fifteen trips (one each year) of about six weeks duration and covered a great part of this wonderfull country. We passed thru and bought fuel from many comunities all over the country. We travelled in two vehicles, usually a Toyota ute and a Toyota wagon and the standard grog load was around 150 Ltrs. dry wine, both red and white, and several slabs of cans. We carried the wine in 25ltr. plastic drums and decantered it as required into the same bags that go into those boxes. We kept everything under cover and of course did not drink when either in of near a comunity. We were never challenged, I guess we may have been lucky.
I am too old to do these wonderfull trips now and one of the crew has passed away, they were great days and we caused no one any trouble.
Cheers, Bundy

S and G,
they have very heavy fines for supplying alcohol to those communities.

The cape is virtually under aboriginal title so it is their land.

If some had lived in and around aboriginal communities they would see what the damage those few do, and I don't mean just the odd fight.

It is devastating for the families that live there.

I don't know the answer but you can be assured the cops come down hard on sly groggers.

Hi Rockape.I dont intend selling grog to anyone,local or anyone else.Im just talking about personal consumption.If im looking around the cape and fishing i dont intend to come into town every week to buy a carton.Particularly if the fish are biting and im having fun.Two cartoons will last me 3 weeks unless i meet up with good company and have a few late night BBQ and story swapping.Bye Stuart and Gunny

I am of like minds but in one respect I differ. If the law says 6 cans then that is the maximum I will carry. Being one who would prefer tea to coffee and wine anytime, it suits me go along with the regulations. Do I like being told I can only carry so much by a minority I am buggered if I am.

But then again I will also respect the wishes and rights of the locals. Note that I said locals!!! Not the wishes or likes of a polished tail twit at a desk somewhere so remote that he would have trouble spelling the local name. Maybe he doesn't even know where Oodnadatta is.

A bit here:
I have to depart the computer for the evening. I have a roast on with heaps steamed vegetables, gravy and waffles for sweets. The grand kids and parents are visiting for the evening. (or is it a baked dinner that they want). Hmmm. We have a new kitchen with two ovens. It's a ripper.

Note that I said vegetables not "veg". Grrrrrr

Catchya Suffer you lot. Just all for us.

Happy Easter to all

Phil

Stuart and the big fella,
I was just answering your reply about those who do sell. Quote"If they had heavy fines for those who sold or supplied grog to the locals"

I am sure you and all others on this site are not going to sly grog. Mate you are certainly not talking to a tee totaler here either. I have a beer i front of me right now. Millers genuine draft and it is about 2 degrees C.

They had to bring in laws to try and control the grog, which many times fails I am afraid. To see a mother trying to sell herself to white blokes for a can of beer in front of her kids or being bashed with a stick by the father still chills me to the bone. The rape of young girls is very common also. These are very common occurrence and not a one or two of, so the mould is set and history repeats itself.

Phil your tea sounded great until you said steamed veg.Why spoil a roast tea by not having roast vegetables.Enjoy yourself and have a good night.Bye Stuart and Gunny

This is the boss. Real boss that is. He is baking the potatoes. All the other vegetables are steamed. Heaps better.

Rockape unfortunately you are correct it is very sad the way some kids and people live.There lives start well behind the eight ball the day they are born.The restrictions on grog does not appear to have accomplished much.I think all we can do is have a zero tolerance on all crime in these areas until they get them under control.Besides having to build more jails,make people accountable for there action,educating them to give them hope plus supporting them on a number of levels nothing will change.As a nation we have not learned throwing money at a problem does not fix it.Bye Stuart and Gunny

When will the bigoted red necks get it that the minority do not make these rules, it is the government voted in by the majority that make these rules.

Just so as we understand each other I have lived in many aboriginal communities over the years and still do, I have seen more drunken violence in cities by white people than I have ever seen by aboriginal people anywhere.

By the way sandman, if you think the authorities can't or wont do anything if you get caught, think again, because I have seen the result of those who thought the same thing and it wasn't pretty.

There may be rules which deserve to be challenged but these aren't among them. If we all did what we think is best for ourselves we'd have a society in chaos. My observation is that people who thumb their noses at laws because they think they know better or because it suits them generally do the same thing regularly. Their logic? I'm not harming anyone. I'm careful. My small indiscretion won't have much impact. We all know the drill: don't collect wood - "but what's a few logs" ; don't dump oil - "but what's a few litres of oil going to do to the bush, it's a natural product"; don't use soaps and detergents near water sources - "but what difference will my few suds make". It's nice to have a beer around a campfire but if you're that desperate you can't live with the laws there are plenty of other areas to camp and visit.

Yeah, I've been waiting for some negative type to take the opposite approach.

So what gives you the idea that I am a bigoted recd neck?

I just don't believe the rules were introduced to stop the majority of travellers from traversing from point A to point B and having to consume their excess beverages (or throw them away) because they may be crossing aboriginal land, whether they even know it or not.

As I and others have said, the authorities are not interested in what I, or my family may consume. They are concerned about stopping undesirables from flogging alcohol to these communities.

If any supplies are not openly displayed in a vehicle and not consumed whilst on tribal land, the authorities would have no cause to search for what may, or may not be on board.

I regard myself as a normally law abiding citizen who loves travelling our remote country areas.
In this case I just happen to object to a silly "regional" rule that tries to tell me what I can take on a trip with me.
It does nothing to resolve the problem with excess alcohol consumption by folk that otherwise have nothing else to do, regardless of how they do it.

I remember one trip I was on to the Top End.
I met a Police Sergeant in the pub of a small fishing town. I happened to mention to him that I observed on more than one occasion, aboriginals who walked out on to the roadway to flag down passing motorists, usually a few kilometres out of a township.
The Sergeant said "you didn't stop did you? if they get in your way run the buggers over."
This obviously happens quite a bit and perhaps some folk do stop to find a few more come out of the scrub.

Oh, by the way. The pub we were at was owned by the aboriginal community but managed by "other Australians".
On the fridge doors behind the bar was a list of individuals who had restrictions placed on them by their tribal elders as to how much alcohol (if any) they were allowed to purchase.

Most communities are managed to the best of their combined efforts to stop excess consumption and the resulting violence that follows.
They don't always have a resident police officer to take care of things so they are controlled by the tribal elders.

Where things go pear shaped is when a group of aboriginals have been ostracised by their communities and are not accepted by white folk either.
These are often the type that cause continual trouble and placing restrictions on everyone else, as to what they may take on holiday with them, does nothing to alleviate the problem.




That is all I have to say on this matter.

And exactly the reason we take packaged wood from home when we can. Note the three bags on the roof for our Simpson drive.

Phil

Hi Sand Man you should keep writing because you speak common sense and logic stuffs most people up.Plus you are articulate and explain your points well.Happy traveling. Bye Stuart and Gunny

I understand your comment Sandman but "law abiding" people can't pick and choose the laws they will abide by, irrespective of how they rationalise it. I remember being quite bemused at an unexpected fruit fly inspection post on the SA border a couple of years back when we were asked to hand over the "fresh food" which we had purchased that morning from a large Broken Hill supermarket. We were going bush to do some survey work and not travelling into a fruit fly area but nevertheless we had to comply with the regulations. As we were unloading, a supermarket semi was waved through without inspection - no doubt carrying exactly the same products from the same eastern regions as our Broken Hill purchases.The irony wasn't lost on us so we asked why they were allowed through. We knew the answer, we were simply making the obvious point that tonnes of the same product were being transported across the border and being sold round the state without inspection so what was the point in targeting individuals who had purchased similar products from the same company. It's quite silly when you examine it but it's the law and we abided by it, as you must.

Actually Bazooka, people CAN "pick and choose the laws they will abide by". However they have no rights to do so and can expect to suffer the consequences.

Gday Bazooka,
Just curious.......If your driving down the road and notice you've accidentily crept over the speed limit, do you call in at the local Police Staion and make a donation?

Allan.

Yes people can pick and choose the laws to abide by. Some ignore the speed limits, some rob banks and some drive illegally modified cars. Such is free will. But if they choose to NOT abide by any single one then they can not be "law abiding".

And isn't it frustrating when you are going to turn north at Yunta and have to dump it all. But thems the rules.

Most responsible and sociably mindfull people try to be law abiding but I wonder how many out of date and antiquated laws we break. As far as I know the law that a man with a red flag must proceed an automobile has not yet been repealled. I wonder if that is true. Interesting hey!!!

I just finished rewiring all the accessories circuits in the car. Running all the accessory circuits through a new fuse box and new relays. Ensuring that the fog lights only able to be on when we have at least the parkers on. The fog lights can be switched off by a separate switch on the center console. I believe the car is now "law abiding".

Phil

Hairy!!!

Of course we all do that. Don't you???

Phil

Phil, All a bit deep for me this beer, fire wood, Old Soldier :-)

PS Kids, and Grankids here also so busy feeding the mod :-)

Hi DEnis

Happy Easter mate. Just went a bit OT with the wood issue. I choose to not pick up wood when they say not to. That's why the wood thing.

PS: Still kicking and getting around. Not into carrying slabs so it's is a bit out of my league this topic.

They all left yesterday so it's a quiet house again. Bent the car. No pinstriping down the left. All scratched off. Front and rear bars to be replaced also.

Hi to Colleen and dogs.

Phil

PS: The wood is for the still. Shhhhhh

Phil

Hi Burnt Damper thanks for your in put.I come from Victoria and down here the police can not search anyone unless they have reasonable suspicion or a search warrant.I take it that this does not apply in QLD.If not i understand in restricted alcohol areas they can.In saying that if people are in there residence,i see that as different to a bag search at the football.But i see there point.Bye Stuart and Gunny

Stuart and Gunny

Down here in Victoria they cannot search anyone etc, so they just shoot you.

In outback WA, QLD, NT they can do whatever they like (including killing people, knowing full well they'll get away with it).

BTW how do you tell the difference between illegal grog runners and a traveller loaded to the gunwales with grog for their personal consumption?

Cantsearch anybody unless they have reasonable suspicion........

OH dear.......every copper has had the concept of what constitutes "reasonable cause".....and it don't take much.

If challenged in court all they have to do is recount situations where "similar suspicions" have proven correct.

They don't need proof of anything, just a "well founded suspicion".

Before random breath testing was specifically legeslated, they would pull you up for a "Licence check" then find "reasonable cause" to breath test you.

Look around almost any vehicle and any self respecting copper should be able to find "reasonable cause" for just about anything they may want to search for.

cheers

Hi Wilko i dont wish to be the bearer of bad news but i dont think you can go into a restricted area with spirits.In saying that enjoy your travels.Bye Stuart and Gunny

Here Here .

My feelings exactly. Imagine what might happen if we returned boats with all people on board back to where they left!

Precisely, Allan.

So what would your cry be when the powers that be determine that drinking tea any where but in an approved area becomes law , will your attitude still be the same that ' can just forgo for a day or two' ,,,

Lol. Yes those b tea drinkers can be so belligerent when they get a couple of cups under their belts. Especially the ones who add a little moo to their beverage. It's a little known fact that tea's a threat to the very basis of society as we know it. It's surprising no-one has bothered to calculate the cost of tea addiction and related diseases to the health budget.

Actually tea was a threat to society in the early days of its use , was so exclusive and expensive that you could be hanged for the theft of less than the making of a cup , the taxation of tea was a partial cause of the American revolution , was the cause of subjugation of the the peoples of India and Ceylon by the British ,and you may laugh as much as you like but medically TEA has caused countless deaths by the English insistence of 'have a cup of tea and a little lay down' to gut shot British troops ,, ergo tea has caused many problems in society and as such should be prohibited to a partial section of the population ,,,, prohibition especially partial prohibition does not solve the problem at hand.

You left out the bit about the embargo on tea being one of the major causes for North Korea's current sabre rattling and Adolf's partiality to an occasional brew.

The trouble is, it is fools like you that give the law makers the ammunition to make more rules for the rest of us.

If people just did what they were asked and did the right thing, there would be less rule for dipsticks to brake.

So good luck with that and reap what you deserve.

Phil

Hi Aussi

Its fools like yourself that are making these rules.

The view by most is something had to be done, but knee jerk reaction with out looking at the whole picture does nobody any good.

Just look at the live cattle trade fiasco.

Tourism and income for some communities has been greatly affected by these simple minded rules.



Fools in power.

Col.

I am not sure what you read when you read my post, but you missed the point completely.

My point is, if you do as you are asked as opposed to breaking the rules/law, you wont need fools making more rules/laws to make it harder for everyone.

While you have people out there thinking they are above the law, you will have law makers making more rule and regulations to try and stop them, unfortunately these people stuff it up for everyone else, they even have the gawl to blame the very people the laws are trying to protect.

By the way I am still confused as to were you think I am one of these fools that make these rules.

Phil

Second reality check.

Its a fact of life that so many touring 4wds are running very close to their maximum load carrying capacity AND short of space.

witness the frequent need to upgrade suspension and the enquiries about GVM upgrades and so forth.

We must all be looking for places to save weight & space.

A slab of beer weighs a little over 9Kg

Its regular that people claim that they need to upgrade their front suspension because they have fitted a winch weighing around 25Kg

I've seen people with 50 liter fridges full of beer and a second fridge 30 or 40 liter fridge for the food.

So by the time you consider the cost of the fridge, the mountinmg and the battery requied to supply it, equiping this vehicle for beer probably cost about $3grand.....pluss the extra space & carrying capacity required
Anybody see the problem here

Realy.......if you need to carry more than 24 serves of alcohol.....you've got a problem.

cheers

Third reality check.

When you think about the extent "certain people" will go to to get grog into these dry communities, you will undertsand that the coppers are very active on this matter.

In some places the sly grogger can make $100 per carton.

People have been known to walk it in 30 pluss Km by night

So that second carton may be a very significant matter

cheers

Yep....dead right there.......grog money is what needs to be restricted.

Too right. Include the dole, the pension and the baby bonus. While we're at it, payments to the military, police and fire brigade, disaster assistance, drought assistance, pharmaceutical benefits, in fact anything which comes out of the public purse. We should make sure our money is spent in the way we want it to be.

Cheers,

Mark

Mark,
"in the way WE want it to be"?
Do you perhaps mean "In the way YOU want it to be"? LOL

Allan, of course I meant "WE"! Surely everyone agrees with me?!

Cheers,,

Mark