Bike Racks
Submitted: Thursday, Dec 29, 2005 at 13:57
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Member - Malcolm P (VIC)
Dear All,
Now the family's getting bigger we need a 3 bike rack for the Patrol.
So my wife buys me one for Xmas (Stanfred model BC3T www.stanfred.com.au) from Supercheap whose customer service to my wife was appalling, didn't ask for what car and begrudgingly asked if they should carry it to the car for her with 3 small children in tow on Xmas Eve.
I'll be writing to Bob Thorn as both a disgruntled customer and shareholder.
I go to bolt it onto the tow bar, but it doesn't clear the spare wheel), so I think' I'll just slide the tongue on the tow bar unclip the pin and locate it further down the tongue. No this doesn't work as there is nowhere toplace the pin further down.
So I call Auto
barn to see what they suggest......there is an $80 attachement toplace under the tow ball to get some extension to clear the spare. Great I think but this is also close to the cost of the bike rack and will not enable me to use the trailer at hte smae time. SO I think I will drill a new hole through the tow bar tongue and relocate the pin. The question is will this reduce the capability of the tow bar? Are there any other makes available without having to muck around?
Malcolm
Reply By: Snowy 3.0iTD - Thursday, Dec 29, 2005 at 14:26
Thursday, Dec 29, 2005 at 14:26
Malcolm
A proper tow bar specialist would be the best place to ask, but from an engineering viewpoint, as long as you are not drilling a bigger than standard hole, and as long as the edge of the hole is atleast two diameters (2 x diam. of the hole you are drilling, but the further back the better) back from the end of the tow bar you will be okay. This will ensure that there is no risk of the pin shearing through to the end of the tow bar because there wasn't enough metal to distribute the stress over.
However before you do this you should polish up the area of the tow bar from where you want to drill the hole to the end of the tow bar, and carfully inspect it for signs of cracking. If you find any for the price of a new tow bar, I would recommend you replace it.
And to cover my own professional bum, this is only an educated opinion and should only be used as such, sorry but I gotta put that in, I would like to hang on to my own fourby for a few more years yet, rather than having to hand the keys to a lawyer.
Regards
Snowy
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Reply By: Member - Malcolm P (VIC) - Thursday, Dec 29, 2005 at 14:35
Thursday, Dec 29, 2005 at 14:35
Thanks Snowy,
Maybe I'm not following properly I don't want to move where the tow ball is located but where the pin that holds the tow bar tongue slides into the housing there is the locker pin with a clip that hiolds it in.
I was thinking of sliding the whole tonngue forward and relocating the pin in the inner shaft and using the existing locking point on the outside my concern is that if I move the whole lot forward will it cause any problems.
Malcolm
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Follow Up By: Snowy 3.0iTD - Thursday, Dec 29, 2005 at 14:57
Thursday, Dec 29, 2005 at 14:57
Malcolm
I assume that all 4WD tow bar tongues are essentially the same a length of RHS (hollow square tube) which slides in to a slightly larger piece or RHS (the housing) attached to the vehicle. You slide a pin through holes that line up in both pieces of RHS to lock it in place. Now my undestanding is that you want the tongue of you towbar to sit out further than it does so that the bike rack that attaches to it will clear the spare tyre. Assuming I am correct so far, the easiest way to do this would be to drill a new hole in the RHS tongue where it slides in to the housing, so that you don' have to slide the tongue so far in to the housing as you currently do for the holes to line up so that you can slide the pin through. Assuming we are both still on the same track, there are two main stress's/forces that come in to play here, particularly when towing heavy loads.
The first is shear when you take off from standstill, this is the force that wants to pull the tounge out of the housing, but is stopped by the locking pin. As long as the locking pin is atleast 2 diameters back from the edge of the tongue RHS that slides in to the housing, this force won't cause the locking pin to tear through the tube.
The second main force is from the tow ball loading, ie where you have a trailer load that is distributed too far forward, putting excessive downward loading on you towbar. Now without knowing the exact dimensions of your tow set-up, the loads you are going to be towing and where, I can not say with 100% certainty exactly how much of the tongue needs to be in the housing. So on this one I would say, to only bring the tongue as far as required and no futher.
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Reply By: Member - Malcolm P (VIC) - Thursday, Dec 29, 2005 at 15:15
Thursday, Dec 29, 2005 at 15:15
Snowy,
thanks that's exactly what I'm trying to talk about.
But please explain to a dummy like me.
When you say 2 diameters fromthe edge that would be at the back of the tongue that slides into the housing.
2 diameters would be say if the hole is 2cm diameter it should be at least 4 cm's away fromthe edge.
Generally I would not be towing anything apart from a 6x4 trailer.
======= housing
Pin ball
--------+-------? Configuration now
======= housing
======= housing
Pin ball
---+------------? Configuration later
======= housing
As long as distance pin at leat 2xdiameter back from edge
Many thanks!
Malcolm
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Follow Up By: Snowy 3.0iTD - Thursday, Dec 29, 2005 at 15:47
Thursday, Dec 29, 2005 at 15:47
Malcolm
A picture is worth a thousand words, using the picture throughtfully provided below in the thread. If the hole you want to drill for the pin is 10mm (I am not sure exactly what size the pin is off the top of my head), then the closest edge of the hole you drill should be atleast 20mm from the edge of the tongue that slides in to the housing. So when marking it up to drill the hole, you should mark the centre of the hole 25mm (1/2 of 10mm + 20mm) from the end of the tongue that slides in to the housing. Also use a square edge (T-square) to make sure you get the new holes level with the existing one, so that the hole on tongue and the hole on the housing line up vertically when you slide the tongue in. Take some time and make sure you get the marking up right, you can't undrill a hole. Also when drilling it clamp it in a vice, a decent steel drill bit in a plug-in power drill (not a battery drill) should be fine, also use a bit of oil (proper cutting oil is best but even engine ore gear oil will help) on the tip of the drill bit. Safety tip; make sure you wear some form of eye protection, even if it is just some sunglasses. Finally if you are still a bit unsure take it to any engineering/machine workshop, tell them what you want and they should be able to do this for you in less than ten minutes on a drill-press, the nice ones probably wouldn't even bother charging you for it.
Regards
Snowy
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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Thursday, Dec 29, 2005 at 15:26
Thursday, Dec 29, 2005 at 15:26
Is this what you want?
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Thursday, Dec 29, 2005 at 15:27
Thursday, Dec 29, 2005 at 15:27
well that certainly worked
well!!!
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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Thursday, Dec 29, 2005 at 15:28
Thursday, Dec 29, 2005 at 15:28
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Reply By: Member - Malcolm P (VIC) - Thursday, Dec 29, 2005 at 15:30
Thursday, Dec 29, 2005 at 15:30
Michael,
looks good "where did you get it?
or did you make it
Malcolm
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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Thursday, Dec 29, 2005 at 15:31
Reply By: Member - Malcolm P (VIC) - Thursday, Dec 29, 2005 at 15:54
Thursday, Dec 29, 2005 at 15:54
Thanks both Snowy and Michael much appreciated
Malcolm
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Reply By: Member - Mike H (VIC) - Thursday, Dec 29, 2005 at 18:28
Thursday, Dec 29, 2005 at 18:28
Hi
Malcolm,
there is an alternative.
How long is your trailers A-frame?
You could secure the bike rack to the A-frame. It then won't interfere with opening the back of your car or when you need to take off your spare wheel.
Cheers and take care,
Mike
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