SPOT versus Delorme (inReach)

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Having used a SPOT unit for many years and have been happy with it, I thought I would look at the new inReach unit from Delorme,

From research done in Oz recently, it appears that the inReach unit is well built and has great maps to ascertain where you are. Its hit rate with the satelites is slightly higher e.g. SPOt's hit rate is around 80% while inReach is around 95%. Of course, these figures will be lower when travelling in heavily vegetated & mountainous areas e.g. Vic high country.

the inReach's plus is that it has 2 way text messaging - however, one down side is that although the unit can send a text message to a mobile phone, the mobile phone cannot reply to the message from the phone. The receiver would have to log on to the inReach site to send a message back. Still it is better than SPOT which has no message to the unit facility.

The biggest difference between the 2 units is cost. I did a comparsion for our recent CSR trip over 6 weeks. Ignoring the one time inReach activation fee of $49 (there is no activation fee with SPOT), the following would be charged:

inReach - initial unit cost - $369 - annual fee - $240
So in the first year, the minimum cost for an inReach is $609

SPOT - initial unit cost - $199 - annual fee (with auto tracking) US165 = approx $180
So in first year, the minimum cost for SPOT is $379. In addition, if you want to take the SPOT unit without auto tracking, the first year cost can be reduced to $325.

So at this stage, SPOT is nearly half the price of an inReach unit.

Now let's look at the ongoing costs. With SPOT there are none, but with inReach, you will only get 100 location updates (you can have more if you pay a higher monthly fee). If I compare our recent CSR trip where we sent 1,832 tracking positions, the additional cost (over 2 months) with SPOT would nil. The additional costs with inReach would have been 1,432 x 0.25c) = $408. Now that's a huge cost difference.

OK, SPOT sends it auto positions every 10 minutes - inReach allows you to change the auto setting so you could reduce the amount of tracking positions. However, I personally think SPOT have got it right with 10 minutes intervals.

So, the whole issue comes down to cost. The inReach is a great unit, but for me, the operating costs for most 4WDers will be too high.

Finally, costs for sending text messages with inReach is 75c per message. Gee, my sat phone can send text messages & emails for only 50c. Personally I think a better deal is a SPOT unit with an Inmarsat sat phone. This way, my up front costs & mt running costs are low and very enjoyable.

I am sure some of you may disagree with my comparions, but your comments are most welcome.

So the SPOT unit at this
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Reply By: Nomadic Navara - Saturday, Oct 20, 2012 at 09:35

Saturday, Oct 20, 2012 at 09:35
I don't see a link for inReach in your article. Are you deliberately setting out to make us do some work?
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Follow Up By: Zebra400 - Saturday, Oct 20, 2012 at 11:05

Saturday, Oct 20, 2012 at 11:05
Sorry Peter. SWMBO dragged me out shopping, so I didnt get time to read what I wrote.

For pricing,you can see the info at : GPSoZ.

If you want to see our CSR SPot track, then goto our Spotwalla link.

I hope this helps.
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Follow Up By: equinox - Sunday, Oct 21, 2012 at 00:19

Sunday, Oct 21, 2012 at 00:19
Hi Zeb,

Quick question. If the spot sends out a signal every 10 minutes then how come your positions seem to be much further apart from that? Even if the sat missed a few it they still look very far apart.

Anyway thanks for the nudge. Have now set up my spot on Spotwalla. It looks like a good interface for my family and friends.

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Follow Up By: Zebra400 - Sunday, Oct 21, 2012 at 06:44

Sunday, Oct 21, 2012 at 06:44
Hi Alan

Good question. As you can see, I use Spotwalla to store all of my Spot as Spot only stores your data for 7 days.

Spotwalla uses an algorithm to minimise the number of track points shown on the screen. It makes the trip look good when viewing the whole trip, but lacks some detail when zooming in.

If you look in the left margin under 'Adjustments', you will see the algorithm has set the number of track points to 10%. To see all the points, just select 'ALL" and then click on 'GO'.

There was a glitch just south of Kalgoorlie. The batteries were running low, and the unit switched off. I should have changed the batteries the day before, when the low battery light came on, but forgot.

I think you will see that the hit rate is quite high.

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Follow Up By: equinox - Sunday, Oct 21, 2012 at 13:28

Sunday, Oct 21, 2012 at 13:28
Hi Laurie,

Thanks for that, another good feature. It adds quite considerable detail. It seems like you forgot to turn it on at Desert Queens Baths as well :-) Looks like you had a good trip.

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Follow Up By: Zebra400 - Sunday, Oct 21, 2012 at 13:42

Sunday, Oct 21, 2012 at 13:42
Ah yes, I remembered that I forgot to turn it on when we left Queen Desert Baths and drove up the Telfer Mine Road.

Well picked up.
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Reply By: MikeNeets - Saturday, Oct 20, 2012 at 09:49

Saturday, Oct 20, 2012 at 09:49
http://www.track4ever.com/
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Reply By: Chris & Sue (Briz Vegas) - Saturday, Oct 20, 2012 at 14:12

Saturday, Oct 20, 2012 at 14:12
Hi Zebra,

"Still it is better than SPOT which has no message to the unit facility.".

That was certainly true for the original SPOT messenger but there is now a SPOT Connect that allows small SMS messages to be sent in association with a smartphone app communicating via Bluetooth. From memory I think they come in at 50c each.

I have just upgraded from the old SPOT to the new one and am about to test it on a trip to Cooktown. The new device is smaller, but seems to require a smartphone to operate, unlike the original SPOT that was self-contained.

Descriptions of both SPOTs are here:
Find me Spot web site

The ExplorOz shop has it for sale.

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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Saturday, Oct 20, 2012 at 14:32

Saturday, Oct 20, 2012 at 14:32
Chris are you sure you can send a message to a SPOT device? I thought it was one way only as per Zebra's initial review.
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Follow Up By: Zebra400 - Saturday, Oct 20, 2012 at 14:52

Saturday, Oct 20, 2012 at 14:52
Chris. Yes I agree that SPOT does not have message receive capability. If you want to send text messages then SPOT connect can send a 41 character text messages. You need to be brief with only 41 characters.

inReach can send & receive 160 character text messages, but be aware that each message you send & receive will cost you 75c each. You wouldn't want all your friends texting you while you are away as at 75c a message, they could mount up your bill.

Personally, I think a better deal is still using SPOT and running an Inmarsat sat phone. We set our sat phone up while we were in Broome this year. The phone cost us only $850 but was half price for us as Aus travellers (living in a mobile coverage area), & travel outside mobile coverage area more than 180 days over a two-year period). Not much proof is required to apply for this subsidy either.

We have our sat phone on a pre paid plan. We have $100 of credit on the phone which we can use up in the next 2 years. Call costs are 50c per 30 seconds and there is no connection fee (like other carriers). I agree it is expensive for people to ring us (around $5 per minute), so our friends either send us a text message or an email up to 160 characters. We dont pay to receive either of these. If we send a text msg or email from our sat phone is costs us 50c per message.

The big benefit to us, is that we now have 2 emergency systems while we are away. If one breaks down, we can rely to the other. If you rely on inReach to do everything for you, then if it fails, you have no emergency back up.

Personally in an emergency situation I would like to have emergency assistance via SPOT plus our sat phone to speak to someone of our choice.

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Follow Up By: Chris & Sue (Briz Vegas) - Saturday, Oct 20, 2012 at 17:00

Saturday, Oct 20, 2012 at 17:00
Z400,

You sound like you have a really good main/backup system there.

I looked at the sat phone business but finally figured out that we wouldn't be away enough to get the discount, and the SPOT Connect would do most of what we needed.

Our usage is mainly letting the kids/grandkids/friends track us. Being able to send a very short text message at least beats the previous choice of 'I'm OK / I'm NOT OK / SOS' from the original SPOT. At least I can now send something along the lines of 'Killed tyres need 2x275/65/R17' rather than turn out the whole Police/SES/Military with the press of a button. Also, if it doesn't fit in 41 characters, you can always lash out and continue onto a 2nd text. :-))

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Follow Up By: Zebra400 - Saturday, Oct 20, 2012 at 17:51

Saturday, Oct 20, 2012 at 17:51
Chris

There is very little checking on whether you meet the 180 days in 2 years. We spend a lot of time 4WDing away from mobile coverage, but the form you sign only requires you to tick a box that you will achieve this requirement. I know of a few friends who have obtained the subsidy and don't spend 180 days out in the bush over 2 years. But it is your conscience if you sign something that isnt true, so I wish you well with the Spot connect.

Incidentally, the blue tooth connection can give some users some problems. Make sure you get it working well before you leave home.

Oh BTW, we also have an HF radio, so we think we have a good emergency plan. Actually on the CSR this year, the autotune of the HF packed up. This made us think about getting the sat phone. So far, so good.

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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Saturday, Oct 20, 2012 at 18:01

Saturday, Oct 20, 2012 at 18:01
Hey Guys!

I am willing to be educated.
What does the Spot or inReach device do that a GPS enabled smartphone (eg iPhone) running uTrackMe doesn't?

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Follow Up By: Zebra400 - Saturday, Oct 20, 2012 at 18:43

Saturday, Oct 20, 2012 at 18:43
Bill

iphones work well where you have mobile phone coverage. SPOT & inReach work by the satelite phone system, so work everywhere.

Having just completed the CSR, there was no mobile coverage after Wiluna in the south until we reached Halls Creek in the north. Distance of the CSr is around 1,900km.

Of course, if you dont head away from mobile coverage, then uTrackMe is fine.

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Reply By: Member - John (Vic) - Saturday, Oct 20, 2012 at 18:26

Saturday, Oct 20, 2012 at 18:26
Zebra with a Satphone!!
I'm stunned Laurie :))
The times are changing hey!
Inmarsat, who's the coverage down south here?
Wish I could get a decent pre-paid plan for my Iridium and saves few bucks, I'm still on a Telstra $30 a month plan.

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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Saturday, Oct 20, 2012 at 18:27

Saturday, Oct 20, 2012 at 18:27
That should read, "what's the coverage like"
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Saturday, Oct 20, 2012 at 18:42

Saturday, Oct 20, 2012 at 18:42
John there is a $10 per month plan that works with iridium phones.
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Follow Up By: Zebra400 - Saturday, Oct 20, 2012 at 18:48

Saturday, Oct 20, 2012 at 18:48
Big John, we looked at Iridium when we were in Broome. The costs blew us out. We wont be using the Sat Phone all the time, so a monthly plan didnt excite us.

So we looked at Inmarsat. It meets our purposes perfectly. Is operates on 3 geo stationary satelites with the Oz one centred over New Guinea. Reception is fine - I was worried about the sats being geo stationery, but after using the phone, realised that it is not a problem.

As I said, the only issue is if people want to contact you, as having the phone switched on while you are 4WDing is pointless. We found that getting friends to email was the easiest way to contact us. At 50c per 30 secs, I wouldn't have a problem ringing back if needed.

But Big John, you can still call or text us on the HF.

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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Saturday, Oct 20, 2012 at 18:59

Saturday, Oct 20, 2012 at 18:59
@Boobook you talking about the $10- 3G casual pan that Telstra offer with international roam enabled?
You using your Satphone on that basis, working ok?

@Zebra, I knew the sats for Inmarsat are located high north and was interested in how the coverage was working down south here.
Inmarsat has been used by the shipping industry for a longtime with a good reputation.
Still a very useful backup for your travels.
Good write up on the Delorme unit, pity they are so expensive.

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Follow Up By: Zebra400 - Saturday, Oct 20, 2012 at 19:03

Saturday, Oct 20, 2012 at 19:03
BJ, I will show it to you on the Aberfeldy trip. It works well down here.
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Saturday, Oct 20, 2012 at 19:26

Saturday, Oct 20, 2012 at 19:26
John that's the one. You can have it for as little as 1 month as there is no contract. I keep it going so I keep the same number.

It works fine inc 000 and call rates are the same as a higher plan.
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Saturday, Oct 20, 2012 at 19:46

Saturday, Oct 20, 2012 at 19:46
Cheers Boo, think I will cancel my current sat plan and save myself $240- a year.
Not worried about the per minute cost as its not something I use to make heaps of calls with these days.

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Reply By: Bazooka - Saturday, Oct 20, 2012 at 19:59

Saturday, Oct 20, 2012 at 19:59
Zebra - any idea how many Inreach communicators are in use in Australia? I'd suggest that hit rates might be based on a VERY small sample. Also, been a while since I looked at the Delorme GPS and locaters but when I did they had excellent maps for USA but none for the rest of the globe . Are they providing Australian maps now?
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Follow Up By: Zebra400 - Saturday, Oct 20, 2012 at 21:05

Saturday, Oct 20, 2012 at 21:05
I dont know how many are used in Australia, but it would be quite small considering that they have not been on the market long in Oz.

Most of my info has come from Brian at GPZoZ. He trialled one on his last trip. He says they are a great unit, apart from the running costs and the inability for people at home to send you a text message from their mobile.

He also tells me that unlike SPOT, your positional data cannot be viewed by your friends without giving them access to your account. I think this is something that Delorme needs to address.

As for hit rates, do you think that 90% is low or high?

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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Sunday, Oct 21, 2012 at 18:26

Sunday, Oct 21, 2012 at 18:26
Zebra
Delorme uses Iridium satellites and SPOT uses Globalstar I believe so it's possible (likely) that the hit rates won't be dissimilar from sat phones, ie in SE Aust Iridium is, from many reports, marginally better.

By the way, thanks for the nice summary of comparative prices etc. Meant to say that in my reply but hit the submit button too soon.
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