ZD30 - FOUR Cracked Pistons

Submitted: Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008 at 20:58
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Some of you will remember my previous post after blowing up my GU IV near Camooweal in NT a couple of weeks ago.

Nissan dealer removed head today and allowed me to take a photo. Every piston is cracked and #2 blew a hole (photo shows a bolt actually pushed into the hole).

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Dealer expects some answer from Nissan Aust tomorrow.

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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008 at 21:03

Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008 at 21:03
The outcome will be interesting. Keep us informed!!! Michael
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Reply By: Sir Kev & Darkie - Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008 at 21:04

Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008 at 21:04
I hope for your sake that the news from Nissan Aust is good.

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Reply By: On Patrol & TONI - Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008 at 21:10

Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008 at 21:10
Malcolm
I wish you the best possible outcome.
Cheers Colin.

To all those that say post 2003 ZD30's are OK, look and learn. This poor man is proof perfect that those people are wrong.
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Reply By: Member - Axle - Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008 at 21:18

Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008 at 21:18
G/day Malcolm, Mate for some interesting reading on this ever increasing nissan problem, Flick over to the AULRO landrover site quickley as there is some really interesting reading on a situation where as a landrover repairer has one of these engines pulled down, some very interesting facts coming out of it!.

Hope all works out.

Cheers Axle.
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Follow Up By: Trekkie (Member - WA) - Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008 at 21:29

Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008 at 21:29
Axle had a quick look and couldnt find it - can you do a copy and paste
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008 at 21:45

Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008 at 21:45
Did you go into Technical ?


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Follow Up By: Member - Graeme W (NSW) - Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008 at 21:55

Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008 at 21:55
Here's the link to the ZD30 thread.

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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008 at 23:28

Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008 at 23:28
Nothing in that AULO thread that can't been read on here and with more detail.

No so nice comments about Colin's, Project TONI on there also :-(
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Follow Up By: Member - Malcolm C (QLD) - Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008 at 23:30

Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008 at 23:30
Thanks for the links Axle (and tks for all other replies so far) I will keep adding to my original post as things develop.

OT: Interesting browse on LR site. Saw reference to my old 1961 Series 2 Land Rover Ambulance (Reg # 108085) - well it really belonged to the army ;-). This was allocated to 2nd Field Ambulance in 1962 at Woodside SA. What a dog of a vehicle. Top heavy but you should have seen some of the country we put these things through up in the Gospers Mountains (NSW) during Ex Sky High.

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Follow Up By: Member - Tessa (NSW) - Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 07:41

Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 07:41
I don't have any technical expertise but I have often wondered about the size of the motor compared to the size of the vehicle and the work people ask it to do. I noted with interest the comment in the Landie forum "The Patrol on the otherhand is a heavy vehicle with a grossly undersized engine that had to work far too hard." Given that the 4.2 Nissan gets so many wraps it seems a valid argument.

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Follow Up By: On Patrol & TONI - Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 19:32

Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 19:32
Gday John

"No so nice comments about Colin's, Project TONI on there also :-("

"It goes along the line of, a fool and his money"

thats funny, coming from them.

Cheers, Colin.
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 22:04

Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 22:04
Agreed Colin funny sort of comment but thats life I guess.
We see plenty of not so nice comments on this forum also :-)

I think your project was a great concept, very gutsy and has offered people an alternative fix to the issue.
Better yet it turned out really well for you personally which is the main thing.

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Reply By: Kiwi & "Grenade" - Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008 at 21:58

Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008 at 21:58
yet another one bites the dust....! Im glad the car yard will be taking ours back thats for sure.....(thats if they hold up their end of the bargain next week)

Good luck, keep us posted hey!

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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 20:29

Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 20:29
Why wait till next week....I'd be back there lickety split if I were you..... sooner the better.

Good luck,
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Reply By: A J - Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008 at 22:39

Wednesday, Oct 22, 2008 at 22:39
Malcolm C (QLD) - spoke with the local tow truck operator today who advised that he had taken two Nissan 3 litre with blown motors to a local Nissan dealer in the past week.

He also advised that one belonged to a doctor and Nissan was paying 75% of the repair costs. I have known him for a number of years and has no reason to stretch the truth. He also advised Nissan paid him both jobs.




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Reply By: Fragle_Rock (VIC) - Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 08:37

Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 08:37
Malcolm,

This may have already been addressed in your previous thread but I couldn't find it when I searched........what year GUIV and how many Km's on clock?

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Follow Up By: Member - Malcolm C (QLD) - Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 11:14

Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 11:14
Hi Fragle_Rock

2005 GU IV 112K (I had only done 1800 kms :-( )

Rather than post a link and have you search through the thread here it is again - Apologies to people who have already read it.

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**what are the symptoms of the pistons packing it in???

Big cloud of white smoke coming out of the exhaust :-(

Some of you will remember my Q about towing caravan direct from Normanton to Camooweal. Finally I heeded the forum advice and went down through Cloncurry and Mt Isa. Reached Camooweal without a hitch (however did notice a slight rise in temp gauge going up hill out of Cloncurry. Reached top of hill and kept going allowing temp to drop back down to normal). With hindsight that may have been a hint of things to come.

14km out of Camooweal (just across NT border - 100km/hr under load - sound familiar?) the dreaded white smoke. That was on a Sunday (NRL Grand Final). Caravan coming the other way also saw it, pulled up and said "Man your in BIG trouble". We managed to contact RACQ (who wanted me to ring NT associates "duh!!") on his wife's phone - both our Telstra phones DID NOT WORK!! Towed back into Camooweal by RACQ, then to Mt Isa where Nissan dealer wanted to charge me $15,000 for a new engine. RACQ did recovery to Townsville (after much standing our ground) BUT THEY WOULD NOT RECOVER THE CARAVAN. Cost us $200 to tow caravan from Camooweal to Mt Isa. (Gold/Ultracare member - didn't YOU know RACQ do NOT recover caravans or trailers!!) I then flew to Townsville and picked up my "old" (2003) Nissan Patrol (ZD30 - never had a problem with it for last 45K - now done 150K) back to the Isa same day and took next two days recovering caravan back home. RACQ took Patrol to Nissan dealer in Townsville who has now had it for the last week, without a word as to what is going to happen. He just submitted paperwork to Nissan to see what they are going to do. Still waiting :-(

The vehicle was previously owned by a local cane farmer, serviced by himself every 10K (he's a mechanic), and only reason he sold it was to get a Navara (also with a ZD30 engine). He's as shocked as I am. I did less that 2K before it blew up :-(

I'm not bagging Nissan, this engine or the vehicle. As I said, I already own one and it has been fantastic (towing the very same caravan to Adelaide and back a couple of times).

I've spent the last two weeks trolling the Internet and now have nearly 200 pages of documentation from patrol4x4.com.au and this site. I was waiting to find out Nissan Australia's response before posting but just wanted to reassure Laura that Nissan MAY come to the party with a reconditioned engine (you pay for labour). Contact your local Nissan dealer for a new engine.

In the meantime the "pearls" that I have learned is to fit an Exhaust Gas Temperature (EGT) gauge and a "boost" gauge. You will at least have some sort of warning system that something is / may be going wrong.

I will post further details once I know MY outcome.
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Reply By: JR - Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 09:27

Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 09:27
I dont know that much about Landrovers but doesnt the Defender come with a 4 or 5 cyl turbo, and they have GVM up to 3500kg??
Wouldnt this be equaly overstressed as the ZD30 in a Patrol?

For the record I had a early ZD30 which blew the engine too - never again.

The point is its probably this particular engine not the power to weight argument.
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Reply By: Kiwi & "Grenade" - Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 14:01

Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 14:01
how many kms you done just out of curiosity??
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Follow Up By: Member - Malcolm C (QLD) - Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 15:10

Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 15:10
2005 GU IV 112K (I had only done 1800 kms :-( )

sorry for computer jargon - 112K = 112,000 kms

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Reply By: Member - Malcolm C (QLD) - Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 15:56

Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 15:56
Townsville Nissan Dealer's Service Manager just rang me and said, "Nissan has denied assistance". No reasons given.

If I want to take it further ring Customer Assistance on 1800 035 035. I will, after I get my reply back from Brisbane Office of Fair Trading. email address is .... brisbaneoft@justice.qld.gov.au

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Follow Up By: Member - Malcolm C (QLD) - Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 20:04

Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 20:04
Spoke with Matilda at Customer Service who told me to go back and get my dealer to submit again.

The service manager is at a loss as to what they want. He previously submitted copies of log book, photos of engine, history, etc. He's at a loss as to what they are looking for.

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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 20:56

Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 20:56
They are lookin for any reason to deny it..

but then again, they do that without any reason...

Hate to say it, but your on your own.
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Follow Up By: Member - Malcolm C (QLD) - Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 21:03

Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 21:03
Sorry Truckster - you are wrong !!

YOU DON'T KNOW ME !!

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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:11

Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:11
No, I dont, but your not the lone ranger with this issue.

I do know several other people who have tried, threatened, begged, parked their blown up cars in dealer driveways, and yes, they got nothing. I know 2 that traded theirs in before they even got it fixed (one was a warranty repair, but he didnt care)

Then theres the dozens of others I've read on forums that have tried, some get the joy of paying for parts, and free labour which still takes it in the ring for a known problem, so to me thats no win.

As said, couple of 100 grenade owners sticking together and putting a class together *MAY* work.. From their reactions to customer complaints, they dont care about publicity... This is one reason I think they has no plans for this car in the future.. kill it off with bad publicity.

How the hell can a modern diesel car only last an average of 50,000-150,000klms and people should be happy with that? and the issue drag on for 8 yrs.

Not having a go at you, it just dazzles me that-
1) its still happening
2) happening at such low klms for a modern engine thats 'taking them to the future'....

Go add yours to the list here ->
http://www.patrol4x4.com/forum/
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Reply By: Member - 120scruiser (NSW) - Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 16:19

Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 16:19
Looks the same as the pic in my rig pic.
I have a heap of them pistons in my workshop.
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Follow Up By: Member - 120scruiser (NSW) - Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 16:20

Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 16:20
The pistons make good ashtrays.
Any body want one???
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Follow Up By: Member - Malcolm C (QLD) - Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 20:09

Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 20:09
I gave up smoking in 1978.

30 years later I hope to give up "smokin" pistons ;-)

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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 20:59

Thursday, Oct 23, 2008 at 20:59
They would make perfect trophies for 4b clubs..

Best stuffup trophy! Nissan could donate 100 pistons with holes in them to each club in australia.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:10

Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:10
how can I get a couple of em? :)
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Reply By: Member - Malcolm C (QLD) - Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:19

Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:19
This morning I spoke with Nissan Aust. and had the opportunity to put my case. I also spoke on behalf of all other ZD30 owners. They have a copy of this thread and will be reviewing it. I also mentioned http://www.patrol4x4.com/forum

If you have anything to say I would urge you to say it NOW. Please NO BAGGING OF NISSAN. Please be constructive.

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Follow Up By: Fragle_Rock (VIC) - Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:37

Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:37
Malcolm,

I don't have anything to add at this point, however I am following the outcome with interest as I also have a 2005 GUIV 3.0 ltr.

Good luck and please keep the updates coming.

Cheers
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Reply By: anglepole - Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 16:49

Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 16:49
Hi Malcolm,

I am sorry to hear your problems with your ZD 30 Engine. As the vehicle is barely out of Warranty in time and kilometres I find it extraordinary that Nissan is so truculent

I spoke to my local Nissan dealer earlier today and he has not ever heard of 4 cracked pistons.

I would certainly press Nissan to to find why they have not offered to contribute to its costs.

I had a Holden that developed an expensive fault 3 months out of warranty, However they came to the party because I had documentary evidence that the vehicle was serviced and maintained by a Holden Dealer.

Any way keep us informed and I hope Nissan give you some financial relief.
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 17:55

Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 17:55
Bet he hasn't heard of a ZD30 with any cracked pistons before either.

What a joke that they think people believe those lines spun by the dealers, "Wow!! thats never happened/seen that before"
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Reply By: Best Off Road - Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 17:39

Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 17:39
See my reply to Jonesy in the other thread about this.

Feel free to call me.

Jim.

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Reply By: awill4x4 - Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 19:11

Friday, Oct 24, 2008 at 19:11
Malcolm here's my "list" that I keep updating about ZD30 blowups, it may save you time looking up other forums for people in the same dilemma as yourself.
It's over 100 now and only includes the dreaded engine blow up not any other issues.
There may be some double posting between forums but I delete them as soon as I am made aware them.
Regards Andrew.

ZD 30 Engine Failures.

Explore Oz Forum.

Daggs.
Blown_zd30-------------------------- 244K
Roly.
AJB------------------------------------196K
Pud & Barb--------------------------165K
Bulla. (daughters car)
Yakodi--------------------------------130K
Plugger.
JR -------------------------------------130K
Mike.
B & M. -------------------------------126K
Emackj--------------------------------157K
Fourstall2000-------------------------118K
Donald A-------------------------------50K 2004 STL
Old Johno---------------------------------------2000
Ron 2006-------------------------------152K
BushMark-----------------------------109K---2001
Ted--------------------------------------170K---2000
Piggy------------------------------------106K---2001
Rob------------------------------------------------2001
Trevmari-------------------------------141K---2000
Muckrunner-------------------------------------2000
Ppk--------------------------------------160K---2000
Rapid-------------------------------------60K---2004
BittenbyZD30-----------------------------------2000
Alex V------------------------------------84K---2001
Jo64-----------------------------------------------2000
Hen Pecked-----------------------------135K—2003
Mick O-----------------------------------
Sharyn---------------------------------------------2001
Void246----------------------------------150K—2000
Drilly-------------------------------------165K---2000
On Patrol--------------------------------182K---2003
Christa-----------------------------------62K----2005 Navara
Captain Chaos--------------------------141K
MalcolmC--------------------------------112K---2005
Jonesy65----------------------------------200K

Nissan Club members.

Graeme Wise. -----------------------72K
Ken Beard.
James Watson.


Outerlimits members

Manno74
Poo-trol-------------------------------66K
Wendle--------------------------------115K 2001
Rustys---------------------------------67K 2001
deanchristensen0001---------------31K 2005
Ergjan19------------------------------190K------2000
GUFun--------------------------------127K------2004
Crazynut------------------------------100K------Dec2003



Patrol 4x4.comforum

Mickyd-------------------------------- 2002
Waveriders--------------------------- 98K 2002
Redeye---------------------------------190K
Link-------------------------------------82K 2000
Pat3L
LesleyPerry---------------------------83K 2001
Scratch---------------------------------89K 2002
Stephan--------------------------------150K
JimmyB--------------------------------
Phyrebug (brother’s car)----------210K
Dirty Wheels-------------------------246K-------2001
Phoenie--------------------------------145K-------2003
Ramas----------------------------------231K------2001
Bigal------------------------------------
Martyn79-----------------------------96K
Extreme1-----------------------------140K
Revs-------------------------------------------------2000
Mick013------------------------------157K
jwmr----------------------------------130K-------2001
GUhoon------------------------------150K-------2000
Kirbs----------------------------------150K-------2000
Graham Slater------------------------27K-------2001
G Gudmundsson (Iceland)--------121K-------2002
Tourman
Jack3ld--------------------------------90K---------2002
Kleinstroops-------------------------104K
GUGreat (brother in law’s car)-180K--------2000
Aljohno-------------------------------140K--------2000
Hungry--------------------------------118K--------2001
Maddog1980-------------------------190K--------2000
PC1958--------------------------------190K--------2002
Fuzz------------------------------------190K--------2000
Tony Howe-----------------------------95K
Hodgo----------------------------------162K--------2000
Schommy-----------------------------160K--------2000
Websavages--------------------------
Stressed-----------------------------------------------2001
Walters--------------------------------147K--------2000
Ttam------------------------------------146K-------2000
Pist’n broke---------------------------100K-------2004
Peterfraser3---------------------------120K-------2000
GU Mick-------------------------------150K------2002
Gibbsy---------------------------------
Roger Brown-------------------------
Carljohn-------------------------------141K--------2000



MSN Caravanners Forum.

Ddarren11-----------------------------155K------2002
Ron Shirley-----------------------------------------2000


Yahoo Group. Patrol 4wd. & GU Patrol.

Jtbattau---------------------------------133K------2000
Nomad441946--------------------------------------2000
Paul Julian-----------------------------255K------2000
Paul Julian engine No 2--------------98K-------2003
Redeye141
Coight4wd------------------------------186K
Patrol444--------------------------------161K-----2001
little pn-----------------------------------190K----2000



Overlander 4wd Forum.

Dopey------------------------------------90-100K---
Weekend Maverick (parents car)—124K----2002




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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Monday, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:39

Monday, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:39
Very telling.

Would you have any idea (can you find out):
what percentage of vehicles sold the above constitutes in under 200k
how the figures compare with comparable 4WDs

Sounds like the basis of a class action may well be there - maybe time to talk to S&G?

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Reply By: To Old To Argue - Sunday, Oct 26, 2008 at 03:05

Sunday, Oct 26, 2008 at 03:05
Wow. As a GQ owner looking to update this is an eye opener.
I have been following this topic for a while and am amazed how big this problem seems to be and how poor Nissan's response has been.
Just on the point of knowing what is going on under the bonnet.
Most heavy trucks have gauges for egt's, engine oil temp, turbo boost, etc,
Most also have warning systems and auto shut down systems built into the computer if any engine readings get out of range.
The point is. This technology has been available since the mid 90's.
There is no excuse for sudden engine failure on this scale in modern computerised vehicles.
As a proud Patrol owner who has spent many a happy time dragging Toyotas out of the manure it is sad to see Nissan drop it's bundle in this way.
Good luck!
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Tuesday, Oct 28, 2008 at 15:52

Tuesday, Oct 28, 2008 at 15:52
D22s

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/watchdog/2008/10/pickup_a_problem.html
they have same engine as aussie?

Nissan would be bleep ting if it is....
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Reply By: Exambo - Monday, Oct 27, 2008 at 03:00

Monday, Oct 27, 2008 at 03:00
Looking at the idea (proposed by some) that the zd30 problems have been caused by excessive boost, don't the turbos have a wastegate?
I must re-look at the specs of my 4.2TD... Len
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Reply By: Exambo - Monday, Oct 27, 2008 at 03:04

Monday, Oct 27, 2008 at 03:04
Looking at the idea (proposed by some) that the zd30 problems have been caused by excessive boost, don't the turbos have a wastegate?
I must re-look at the specs of my 4.2TD... Len
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Reply By: Member - Malcolm C (QLD) - Monday, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:46

Monday, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:46
After being reviewed by a Senior Supervisor at Nissan Australia the comment was "OUT OF WARRANTY" and an inference was being made that they don't have this sort of problem with that engine.

You are all right - I AM ON MY OWN.

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Follow Up By: Best Off Road - Tuesday, Oct 28, 2008 at 16:03

Tuesday, Oct 28, 2008 at 16:03
Townsville eh?

It was in the Townsville SCT that I gave Pickering's and Mitsubishi a clean-up a few years back.

Jim.

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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Tuesday, Oct 28, 2008 at 16:10

Tuesday, Oct 28, 2008 at 16:10
Email them andrews list of "we dont have that sort of problem" clients from above...
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Follow Up By: Member - Malcolm C (QLD) - Tuesday, Oct 28, 2008 at 18:10

Tuesday, Oct 28, 2008 at 18:10
Truckster

That's what Nissan were also trying to tell me yesterday before I severed my relationship with them.

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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 09:28

Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 09:28
thats what they want you to do - give up.
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Reply By: HGMonaro - Tuesday, Oct 28, 2008 at 16:42

Tuesday, Oct 28, 2008 at 16:42
the sad thing is that the above ist is probably a drop in the proverbial ocean!
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Reply By: HGMonaro - Tuesday, Oct 28, 2008 at 16:43

Tuesday, Oct 28, 2008 at 16:43
the sad thing is that the above list is probably a drop in the proverbial ocean!
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Reply By: Member - Malcolm C (QLD) - Tuesday, Oct 28, 2008 at 18:14

Tuesday, Oct 28, 2008 at 18:14
Just a follow up ....

Nissan Mt Isa told me #4 piston was blown. Cost $88. Later I found out that all they had done was connected to the ECU and "No errors found".

Based on "that" info Nissan Townsville just cost me $453.75 to tell me it wasn't #4 it was #2 with cracks in all others. They had to remove the head.

$7,500+GST just for replacement engine. Arranged for tow truck to bring home tomorrow where it will have to sit until I am fit enough to repair myself. (my lower back has collapsed due to nervous stress - I'm a TPI Veteran).

I have had a quote from Engine Aust ($1100) for a rebuild kit and my local Recon shop charges $50 per cylinder. They will also help me with the rebuild.

I still have a couple of tongs in the fire !! As John said to me (private email) S@@T on them from the top. It runs down hill !! :-)

FYI I'm a retired computer x spurt (software). I've now ordered an ELM327 OBDII I/F (overseas from China) and a small 8" notebook, via my local contacts (arrived today) which I'm now looking at developing the software specifically to monitor the ECU. I'll keep everybody informed on progress.

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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:17

Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:17
Speak with 120cruiser.. he has recommended some good places before, hes only delt with a willionty of them blowing up
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Follow Up By: Jonesy65 - Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 20:20

Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 20:20
Hi Malcolm. I had the same problem this month and got the same reply from Nissan. I have my local parliament member looking into this but not holding my breath. I'm looking at other option rather than the 18k Nissan quoted me to fix the problem. SO what will be the total repair bill for you? have you investigated installing a 4.2 motor?
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Follow Up By: Best Off Road - Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 20:53

Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 20:53
I did offer a way to get you blokes out of the chit.

0411 874406.

I don't like people being taken advantage of by big companies.

I don't charge anything, it's just friendly advice.

Jim.

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Follow Up By: Jonesy65 - Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 21:22

Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 21:22
Thanks Jim. Called and left a message. Look forward to speaking to you soon
Ray
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Follow Up By: Member - Malcolm C (QLD) - Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 21:36

Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 21:36
Thanks Jim

I also left message ... I wasn't ignoring you. Other things have kept me pre-occupied.

My local Federal MP has been in the loop for a few days now.

An email to "A Current Affair" last week has gone unanswered - as somebody else said "scared of losing advertising income".

Vehicle was delivered home this afternoon - another $66 for towing!!. Will have to sit idle for a while.

In the meantime I'm talking with some computer colleagues to develop a "turnkey digital dashboard" so we will at least be able to see what is going on under the bonnet - as well as creating a log file to record past history.

Malcolm
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 21:58

Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 21:58
This system has undergone major change in the last few years so Small Claims may not be enough as depending on which state you file the claim is what will govern the amount able to be claimed.

QLD appears to be only up to $7,500-
NSW appears to be $10,000-
Victoria via VCAT is a lot more.

You need to do a search for small claims in your home state to see what may or may not apply to your individual situation.
Also have a good look at the ability to claim costs as this has also changed depending on the amount of the claim and the respective state in which the matter is heard and can cut both ways.

Some court/tribunals will allow parties to utilise the services of legal representation so you may find yourself arguing without representation the case against experienced council acting for Nissan.

I would also point out that if you made a claim on an individual basis and some sort of class action was developed at some other point you would probably be precluded from entry to the claim if your matter has been heard and dealt with.

Don't let this dissuade you, just make sure you understand what you are getting yourself into as applicable to your state before you act.
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Follow Up By: Member - Malcolm C (QLD) - Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 22:06

Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 22:06
Thanks John, appreciate your advice.

I think I'll let things "settle down" a bit for the time being. BUT I will not give up.

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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 22:16

Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 22:16
I think its well worth someone with this problem actually contacting one of the plaintiff law firms such as Slater & Gordon and at least having a chat with them.
It would probably not cost you anything other than your time and they would certainly be able to evaluate the prospects of the case.

I think the whole situation stinks like a rotten 3.0 litre engine and would just love someone to shove it up Nissan good and proper.

Good luck.
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Follow Up By: Jonesy65 - Tuesday, Nov 04, 2008 at 21:13

Tuesday, Nov 04, 2008 at 21:13
Malcolm, good to chat with you the other day. I have update the local memeber and referred him to Peter Lindsay as well. Below is the update on my thread.

Pat Farmers office has spoken to the office office of Catherine Cusack MLC, the NSW Shadow Minister for Fair Trading who have said they will look into the matter further for us.

Catherine office confirmed yesterday that this matter will be escalated on Monday 3 November 2008

Spoke to Jim yesterday and he was very helpful. I have passed the information onto Pat Farmer (Federal member for Macarthur) and I'll be following up the small claim tribunal option as well.

I also like the idea about collecting as much evidence as suggested by another member. I have a mate who may be able to start up a web page and record this data so it can be used against Nissan.

I will let you know of any developments. We may be able to attack this from two angles.
I can be contacted on 0418977601 if you wish to have a chat

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Reply By: Member - DOZER- Thursday, Oct 30, 2008 at 23:25

Thursday, Oct 30, 2008 at 23:25
Buggered are the cracked, for they let the smoke out.............
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